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Re: Compiling mutt without mail group

Cameron Simpson — 2012-05-18T23:05:55

| My grateful thanks for the comments and advice.
| Once I've packaged mutt for microcore (with mail group) and reboot
| into stock system, I can send an email via mutt without mail group via
| smtp fine. Does mutt need the mail group for general email, maintenance,
| or interaction with other software such as sendmail ?

Please bottom post. Thanks.

Mutt needs setgid-mail on some (many?) systems to operate on the system
spool file (/var/spool/mail/<user>, typically). It need no special
privileges to operate on the user's files in their home directory.

Re: mutt, html and chrome

Paul Tansom — 2012-05-18T15:49:09

** Luis Mochan <mochan< at >fis.unam.mx> [2012-05-15 21:24]:
** end quote [Luis Mochan]

A bit late to the party here, but I get the same with Chromium on Ubuntu. I
never have the same problem with Firefox though, and since I always get fed up
with Chromium quite quickly and go back to Firefox it doesn't worry me. It will
be interesting to have a play with the suggestions though. I've sort of assumed
it is down to the way Chrome handles it tabs and sub-processes compared to
Firefox - either passing off to another sub-process causing Mutt to delete the
file, or the first process trying to access the file too quickly. I've always
found the interface annoying on Chrome and, unlike many people I know, found it
slow and a bit of a memory hog compared to Firefox! I'm running more modern
hardware now, so perhaps time to see if that has switched the tables!

Re: mutt, html and chrome

Luis Mochan — 2012-05-16T15:14:06

Dear Marco,
Of course, simplicity is usually best! Thanks!
Luis

Re: mutt, html and chrome

Marco Giusti — 2012-05-16T13:34:57

This seems more like an hack but it works most of the times:

text/html; /usr/bin/sensible-browser '%s' & sleep 2; ...
text/html; /usr/bin/iceweasel '%s' & sleep 2; ...
...


I don't know

m.

Re: mutt, html and chrome

Luis Mochan — 2012-05-16T02:34:17

I made a small perl script (attached) that replicates the behavior of
mutt_netscape by Gary A. Johnson <garyjohn< at >spk.agilent.com> and which
seems to solve my problem of disappearing temporal files before the
browser reads them. 
Thanks for your kind help!
Luis




On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 07:30:06PM -0500, Luis Mochan wrote:

Re: mutt, html and chrome

Luis Mochan — 2012-05-16T00:30:06

Thanks Michael,
I'll try that when I get to my office. I found an alternative solution at 
   http://www.spocom.com/users/gjohnson/mutt/#html 
by running a simple script that saves the file and then call's the browser.
Best regards,
Luis


On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:27:19AM +0200, Michael Ludwig wrote:

Re: mutt, html and chrome

Michael Ludwig — 2012-05-15T22:27:19

Luis Mochan schrieb am 15.05.2012 um 15:22 (-0500):


IIRC there was an issue where the file would get deleted before the
browser would get its hands on it. There's a set of Python scripts
that fixes this problem:

https://bitbucket.org/blacktrash/muttils

Relevant Mutt configuration:

# call viewhtmlmsg from macro
macro index,pager <F7> "\
<enter-command> set my_wait_key=\$wait_key wait_key=no<enter>\
<pipe-message>viewhtmlmsg -k0<enter>\
<enter-command> set wait_key=\$my_wait_key &my_wait_key<enter>\
" "view HTML in browser"

macro index,pager <F8> "\
<enter-command> set my_wait_key=\$wait_key wait_key=no<enter>\
<pipe-message>viewhtmlmsg -k0 -s<enter>\
<enter-command> set wait_key=\$my_wait_key &my_wait_key<enter>\
" "view HTML (safe) in browser"

Michael

Re: mutt, html and chrome

Luis Mochan — 2012-05-15T20:50:56

I'm using the system's defaults since some long time ago. I guess the
relevant lines in my /etc/mailcap are:

  text/html; /usr/bin/sensible-browser '%s'; description=HTML Text; nametemplate=%s.html
  text/html; /usr/bin/iceweasel '%s'; description=HTML Text; test=test -n "$DISPLAY";  nametemplate=%s.html
  text/html; /usr/bin/w3m -T text/html '%s'; needsterminal; description=HTML Text; nametemplate=%s.html
  text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -force_html '%s'; needsterminal; description=HTML Text; nametemplate=%s.html
  text/html; /usr/bin/w3m -dump -T text/html '%s'; copiousoutput; description=HTML Text; nametemplate=%s.html
  text/html; /usr/bin/html2text '%s'; copiousoutput; description=HTML Text
  text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -dump -force_html '%s'; copiousoutput; description=HTML Text; nametemplate=%s.html

Years ago I used to have 
  text/html; w3m %s; needsterminal; description=HTML Text; nametemplate=%s.html
  text/html; w3m -dump %s; copiousoutput; description=HTML Text; nametemplate=%s.html
in my own .mailcap,

Re: mutt, html and chrome

Matthias Apitz — 2012-05-15T20:30:50

El día Tuesday, May 15, 2012 a las 03:22:20PM -0500, Luis Mochan escribió:


Looks more like mutt is handing over the URI file:///tmp/mutt.html to
your browser and before this has time to fetch the file, mutt has
deleted it again; depends on your configuration in .mailcap

HIH

matthias

mutt, html and chrome

Luis Mochan — 2012-05-15T20:22:20

Very recently I started having a curious situation when I open the
html version of messages with mutt. My default browser is
'chrome'. Typically, in mutt I press 'v', I find the html message from
the list, I press return and the message is displayed in a new window
in my running 'chrome'. Nevertheless, I sometimes get the error
message 'No webpage found for the web address:
file:///tmp/mutt.html'. If I insist enough times, the message
eventually is successfully displayed in my browser. My guess is that
there is some kind of race condition which becomes apparent only when
my computer is busy, as if the browser tries to read the temporal file before
mutt finishes writing and closing it. My system is debian/stable and I
am using the mutt package from the distribution. Any idea/suggestion will be
appreciated. 

Best regards,
Luis

pd. The output of mutt -v is:

Mutt 1.5.20 (2009-06-14)
Copyright (C) 1996-2009 Michael R. Elkins and others.
Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'.
Mutt

Re: Anyone using Mutt on a Mac?

SK — 2012-05-15T04:35:45

If you are not satisfied with or have issue with the default set of
patches included in homebrew formula, you could try
https://github.com/skn/homebrew/tree/master/mutt

Regards,
skn

Re: Anyone using Mutt on a Mac?

Cameron Simpson — 2012-05-14T23:36:08

| now, mutt on iOS would be nice... ;-)

I've tried to use mutt on an iPhone (ssh client to home server). It is
very painful. And the keyboard takes up a LOT of display space.

A retina display iPad may be a lot better.

Re: Anyone using Mutt on a Mac?

Joost Kremers — 2012-05-14T17:08:56

i second that.

i used macports for quite a while but at some point i got fed up with the
fact that it insists on having a completely separate tool chain. macports
installs its own gcc and glibc, for example. makes for looooong upgrades.

but mutt runs fine with both macports and homebrew. i use the same muttrc
on my linux (home) and mac (work) machines, save for some settings
regarding archiving of mail, and it all works without modifications.

now, mutt on iOS would be nice... ;-)

Re: Anyone using Mutt on a Mac?

Tim Gray — 2012-05-14T16:35:51

Yup, works fine, been doing it for years.  I'd recommend checking out, 
in no particular order:

- msmtp or putmail.py
- homebrew for a package manager - much more straight foward than 
   macports or fink in my mind
- iTerm, the newer one, as a replacement for Terminal.app.  Terminal.app 
   works, but iTerm is better.  You can also set up iTerm to handle 
   mailto: urls and open up a mutt instance automatically

If you are using the OS X address book app and/or keychain, there are 
some tips and tricks that enable reasonable integration.  I for one love 
the OS X address book because it works with my phone and syncs 
wirelessy.  As far as a speller, I compose my email in Vim and use the 
speller that is built in.  If using Vim, you might want to check out 
MacVim [1].  OS X comes with Vim, but MacVim is a lot nicer, has a gui 
if you want, and if you don't want a gui, you can just link the 
executable to /usr/local/bin or something.

[1]: http://code.google.com/p/macvim/

Re: Anyone using Mutt on a Mac?

David J. Weller-Fahy — 2012-05-14T04:13:17

* Cameron Simpson <cs< at >zip.com.au> [2012-05-13 19:55 -0400]:

Interesting... I've never had to deal with that many machines, so never
had to solve that problem, but now it's socked away for when I *do*. :)

I think my favorite part of the HomeBrew philosophy is "don't include
things the base already includes": It removes all sorts of conflicts
which can otherwise arise.

On the other hand, I found it easier to manually download the
docbook-xml and docbook-xsl archives than to get the information from
HomeBrew or OS X, so (again) not a perfect fit for everything.

Re: Anyone using Mutt on a Mac?

Cameron Simpson — 2012-05-14T00:34:46

| On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:13:38AM +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote:
| > eg you've been offline for a week and need to suck down thousands of
| > messages).
| 
| My FreeBSD system only gets shut down when the power goes out AND
| doesn't come back up before I get to the console and type "shutdown -h
| now".

Our Gentoo system is the same. Normally.

Re: Anyone using Mutt on a Mac?

Jim Graham — 2012-05-14T00:21:49


My FreeBSD system only gets shut down when the power goes out AND
doesn't come back up before I get to the console and type "shutdown -h
now".

Later,
   --jim

Re: Anyone using Mutt on a Mac?

Cameron Simpson — 2012-05-14T00:15:15

| On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:48:49AM +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote:
| > On 13May2012 03:32, Indulekha <indulekha< at >theunworthy.com> wrote:
| > | On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 09:04:00PM -0500, Jim Graham wrote:
| >
| > | > Ok...  Why does mutt-users not show up as a list with your posts,
| > | > and works for all others?  I've never seen this happen before with
| > | > Mutt and lists.
| > 
| > That's probably because you didn't get a personal copy as well.
| > What does mutt see with the first copy of _this_ message, for you?
| 
| List reply worked fine this time.

Yep; you only got a list copy of that one, not a personal copy. This
one, by contrast...

Re: Anyone using Mutt on a Mac?

Cameron Simpson — 2012-05-14T00:13:38

| On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:03:00AM +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote:
| > On 13May2012 06:21, Jim Graham <spooky130u< at >gmail.com> wrote:
| > | OB Mutt:  I use fcc-hook frequently to store related groups of e-mail.
| 
| > I do this in my mail filters. That way if I need to I can refile a
| > message without composing an email; just copy/move it to the right spool
| > folder. My setup goes:
| > 
| >   cron runs getmail regularly, delivers to "spool"
| >   once a second, my filtering program polls spool-in (divert spam, the rest
| >     to "spool"), spool (filter inbound email to various folders), spool-out
| >     (file outdound email - this is $record), spool-xref (cross file
| >     messages)
| 
| Here's my setup:
| 
|    cron runs fetchmail --all every even numbered minute at 0 seconds
|    fetchmail hands all incoming e-mail to procmail, which is the MDA
|    procmail looks through ~/.procmailrc (and included files) for a
|       matching rule.  Whitelisted addresses are matched first, to
|       avoid false po

Re: Anyone using Mutt on a Mac?

Jim Graham — 2012-05-14T00:02:53


It never does. FreeBSD has its ports collection...half of the time, I
skip it and just grab the source, and compile it the way I want it.


officer:  Oh, Rimmer, you ARE a smeghead.
   - Red Dwarf, The End

:-)

Later,
   --jim

Re: Anyone using Mutt on a Mac?

Jim Graham — 2012-05-13T23:58:40

List reply worked fine this time.

Later,
   --jim