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i18n meeting summary (2013-05-16)

Akira TAGOH — 2013-05-16T07:42:37

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Meeting started by tagoh_ at 06:02:24 UTC. The full logs are available
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Meeting summary
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* agenda and roll call  (tagoh_, 06:02:25)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2013-05-16
    (tagoh_, 06:02:26)

* Upcoming schedule  (tagoh_, 06:07:46)
  * 2013-05-28        Beta Release  (tagoh_, 06:07:47)
  * 2013-06-18        Final Change Deadline  (tagoh_, 06:07:47)
  * 2013-07-02        Fedora 19 Final Release  (tagoh_, 06:07:47)

* Outstanding topic  (tagoh_, 06:10:42)
  * #19: gnu-free-fonts issue for Indic  (tagoh_, 06:10:42)
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/19   (tagoh_, 06:10:43)

* Open Floor  (tagoh_, 06:16:26)

Meeting ended at 06:22:09 UTC.




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Re: #19: gnu-free-fonts issue for Indic

Fedora Internationalization — 2013-05-16T06:17:56

#19: gnu-free-fonts issue for Indic
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Reporter:  aalam    |       Owner:  i18n< at >…
    Type:  meeting  |      Status:  closed
Priority:  major    |  Resolution:  fixed
Keywords:           |  Blocked By:
Blocking:           |
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Changes (by pravins):

 * resolution:   => fixed
 * status:  new => closed


Comment:

 This issues is resolved now. Basically we reopened earlier issues reported
 against gnu-free-sans

 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=871252

 Now we are removing Indian languages from gnu-free-sans fontconfig file as
 well.

Re: Question about Vietnamese support in Fedora 19

Truong Anh. Tuan — 2013-05-10T04:25:26

----- Original Message -----

Thanks Akira for your response.


I created a new test case [1] and added to the test cases list.
It's really simple but enough for this ibus-bogo release.

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Bogo

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Re: #16: Improving testcases/matrix for i18n test day

Fedora Internationalization — 2013-05-09T08:35:00

#16: Improving testcases/matrix for i18n test day
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Reporter:  tagoh    |       Owner:  tagoh
    Type:  meeting  |      Status:  closed
Priority:  major    |  Resolution:  fixed
Keywords:           |  Blocked By:
Blocking:           |
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Changes (by tagoh):

 * resolution:   => fixed
 * status:  assigned => closed


Comment:

 Thanks everyone for updating test cases. i18n test day for f19 has been
 gone. still open to see more results though, closing this ticket so that
 the preparation phase has been finished.

Re: #18: F19 i18n docbeats

Fedora Internationalization — 2013-05-09T08:30:47

#18: F19 i18n docbeats
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Reporter:  tagoh    |       Owner:  i18n< at >…
    Type:  meeting  |      Status:  closed
Priority:  major    |  Resolution:  fixed
Keywords:           |  Blocked By:
Blocking:           |
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Changes (by tagoh):

 * resolution:   => fixed
 * status:  new => closed


Comment:

 Thanks everyone for contributing/updating the i18n docbeats. as per the
 schedule, the wiki has been frozen and any updates on there won't be
 automatically reflected to the release notes anymore. if we need to
 update, we have to file a bug to the fedora-release-notes component and
 ask docs team for it.

 Please do it as needed I'll close this ticket.

Migrating console layouts to xkb

Adam Williamson — 2013-05-08T18:46:35

Hey, folks. This is a bit late, but I wanted to draw your attention to 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=837292 . The systemd folks 
and Vitezslav Crhonek are working on a plan to stop the insanity of 
having an entirely different set of keyboard layouts for consoles (kbd) 
and X (xkb).

The short-term plan is to replace the kbd layouts with a set of layouts 
that have been generated from the xkb layouts. There's a test package in 
comment #38:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=837292#c38

which Vitezslav was looking for some feedback on. I was hoping people on 
this list might be able to provide the feedback he wanted, and perhaps 
look at the changes in the package compared to the old kbd and see if 
you can see any issues with this approach.

Hopefully, once this is done, it will be a good solution to 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889562 for most languages: 
we will no longer have the cases where you pick an xkb layout in 
anaconda and systemd-localed can't find any ma

Re: Question about Vietnamese support in Fedora 19

Akira TAGOH — 2013-05-07T03:51:24

Hi,

You could write a test case for ibus-bogo like other engines do.
Please see links at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-02_Internationalization/Results/Input_lang for each test cases.

---
Akira TAGOH

----- 元のメッセージ -----
| Hello my friends,
| 
| In the last meeting [1], we discussed about setting ibus-bogo as the
| default Vietnamese typing engine.
| I would like to make this note and ask if I can do anything else to make
| this happened?
| 
| [1]
| http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-05-02/i18n.2013-05-02-06.02.html
| 
| Kind regards,
| Tuan
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Question about Vietnamese support in Fedora 19

Truong Anh. Tuan — 2013-05-03T14:57:29

Hello my friends,

In the last meeting [1], we discussed about setting ibus-bogo as the
default Vietnamese typing engine.
I would like to make this note and ask if I can do anything else to make
this happened?

[1] http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-05-02/i18n.2013-05-02-06.02.html

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Upstream release of system-config-language 1.3.6

2013-05-03T09:31:38

Hi All,

  As you know Parag is taking over to system-config-language package, i
thought will give him clean upstream release to start work.

  Just done upstream release of system config language 1.3.6,
https://fedorahosted.org/releases/s/y/system-config-language/system-config-
language-1.3.6.tar.bz2<https://fedorahosted.org/releases/s/y/system-config-language/system-config-language-1.3.5.tar.bz2>

  Basically resolved inconsistencies and applied local patches from Fedora
in upstream. Resolved po errors and updated pot files.  See changelog for
more details.

Best Regards,
Pravin Satpute
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Re: Feedback on i18n test cases

Parag Nemade — 2013-05-02T10:36:53

Hi,
On 04/30/2013 11:10 PM, Sweta Kothari wrote:
For the Inscript2 test,
1) Test that you can set R_ALT key as AltGr as per given on testcase page
2) Use the Enhanced Inscript draft standard pdf given in the Results 
section on the testcase page and verify all the keymappings are 
according to the standard defined for your Indic language.

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Re: Feedback on i18n test cases

Akira TAGOH — 2013-05-01T11:16:36

----- 元のメッセージ -----
| 3] Intelligent_Pinyin:There is no preference dialog to change the
| layout, For F19 Ui is changed totally, This test case instuction totally
| says for f18 perpsepctive.

Well, basically there are no changes how to access the preferences for engines. it's the same to f18 that you can access from gnome-control-center only - select the input source what you want to see the preference. click the gear icon at the bottom of the input sources section.

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Re: Feedback on i18n test cases

Akira TAGOH — 2013-05-01T11:07:29

----- 元のメッセージ -----
| 3. Input (language-specific): Didnt find the command to run the typing
| booster application.

Maybe I got the point. you may need to restart ibus and/or applications, or desktop session to enable it.
I've added a note to the general IM setup page.

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Re: Feedback on i18n test cases

Akira TAGOH — 2013-05-01T06:35:21

The links of test cases has been moved to each result pages now.

---
Akira TAGOH

----- 元のメッセージ -----
| Thank you for the feedback.
| 
| ----- 元のメッセージ -----
| | Few suggestions are listed down, which were found during the dry run of
| | the i18n test cases:
| | 
| | 1. Each time after you do the testing, need to to come back to the test
| | day page and then scroll down to go the Result section
| | Suggestion: Provide the link for result page on each test case page and
| | also link each result page to the test case page.
| | ie. In the "Input (Overall) section, we have two test cases: QA:Testcase
| | i18n ibus input and QA:Gnome Input Method Integration IBus.
| | (i) Provide the link for the result page of Input (Overall) in these two
| | test cases' page so that from tester perspective navigating between test
| | case and result pages will be easier.
| 
| test cases are also used for updates in bodhi. so I think adding a link to
| the result page is not a good idea, which is te

Re: Feedback on i18n test cases

Akira TAGOH — 2013-05-01T05:11:55

Thanks for the comment.

----- 元のメッセージ -----
| Input (language-specific):-
| 
| 1] On test results page, There should be a cloumn to define the test
| case If there are multiple test cases so tester can record results
| appropriately

That is an intentional change to see the overall results if it is good or not. please add a comment what test cases particularly failed.

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Re: Feedback on i18n test cases

Sweta Kothari — 2013-04-30T17:40:54

Thanks Tagoh & Ani for your valuable feedback.

In addition to that, I had some more points:

Input (overall):-

1] I agree with Ani on the following point: The link to view/update the
test results should be moved on the page that has the test case steps &
expected results. This way it would become easy for the Tester to
navigate the pages.

2] Gnome Input Method Integration IBus : This test case is more
applicable for f18 but not applicable for f19, because There is no
restart button on ibus icon as UI changed totally in f19 and For change
the layout, Hot key has been changed from "ctrl+space" to "Super+space".

Input (language-specific):-

1] On test results page, There should be a cloumn to define the test
case If there are multiple test cases so tester can record results
appropriately

2] inscript2 keymap : Please mention the language for which the key
combination need to be tested.i have tested for Altgr+f, Altgr+r, But
they are not working in my language.

3] Intelligent_Pinyin:There is no preference d

Re: Feedback on i18n test cases

Akira TAGOH — 2013-04-30T09:11:16

Thank you for the feedback.

----- 元のメッセージ -----
| Few suggestions are listed down, which were found during the dry run of
| the i18n test cases:
| 
| 1. Each time after you do the testing, need to to come back to the test
| day page and then scroll down to go the Result section
| Suggestion: Provide the link for result page on each test case page and
| also link each result page to the test case page.
| ie. In the "Input (Overall) section, we have two test cases: QA:Testcase
| i18n ibus input and QA:Gnome Input Method Integration IBus.
| (i) Provide the link for the result page of Input (Overall) in these two
| test cases' page so that from tester perspective navigating between test
| case and result pages will be easier.

test cases are also used for updates in bodhi. so I think adding a link to the result page is not a good idea, which is test day specific.

| (ii) Also can provide these two test cases' pages link in the
| Input(Overall) result page

Sure. that sounds reasonable.

| 
| 2. QA

Fwd: Feedback on i18n test cases

Aman Alam — 2013-04-29T11:06:15

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Feedback on i18n test cases
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:33:01 +0530
From: Ani Peter <apeter< at >redhat.com>
Reply-To: Fedora Language Testing Group <fltg< at >lists.fedoraproject.org>
Organization: Red Hat
To: Fedora Language Testing Group <fltg< at >lists.fedoraproject.org>

Few suggestions are listed down, which were found during the dry run of
the i18n test cases:

1. Each time after you do the testing, need to to come back to the test
day page and then scroll down to go the Result section
Suggestion: Provide the link for result page on each test case page and
also link each result page to the test case page.
ie. In the "Input (Overall) section, we have two test cases: QA:Testcase
i18n ibus input and QA:Gnome Input Method Integration IBus.
(i) Provide the link for the result page of Input (Overall) in these two
test cases' page so that from tester perspective navigating between test
case and result pages will be easier.
(ii) Also can provide these two test cases' pages link in

i18n meeting summary (2013-04-25)

Akira TAGOH — 2013-04-26T03:20:25

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#fedora-meeting: i18n
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Meeting started by tagoh_ at 06:03:09 UTC. The full logs are available
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Meeting summary
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* agenda and roll call  (tagoh_, 06:03:10)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2013-04-25
    (tagoh_, 06:03:11)

* Upcoming schedule  (tagoh_, 06:06:02)
  * 2013-05-02        Test_Day:2013-05-02_Localization_(i18n)  (tagoh_,
    06:06:02)
  * 2013-05-06        Wiki Freeze: Beta Release Notes  (tagoh_,
    06:06:03)
  * 2013-05-07        Software Translation Deadline  (tagoh_, 06:06:03)
  * 2013-05-14        Beta Change Deadline  (tagoh_, 06:06:03)
  * 2013-05-14        Features 100% Complete  (tagoh_, 06:06:04)
  * 2013-05-28        Beta Release  (tagoh_, 06:06:05)

* Outstanding topics  (tagoh_, 06:07:51)
  * #16: Improving testcases/matrix for i18n test day (tagoh)  (tagoh_,
    06:07:51)
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org

Re: #16: Improving testcases/matrix for i18n test day

Fedora Internationalization — 2013-04-25T10:21:44

#16: Improving testcases/matrix for i18n test day
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Reporter:  tagoh    |       Owner:  tagoh
    Type:  meeting  |      Status:  assigned
Priority:  major    |  Resolution:
Keywords:           |  Blocked By:
Blocking:           |
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Comment (by pnemade):

 Updated https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Langpack_Yum_Application

Re: #16: Improving testcases/matrix for i18n test day

Fedora Internationalization — 2013-04-25T08:09:58

#16: Improving testcases/matrix for i18n test day
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Reporter:  tagoh    |       Owner:  tagoh
    Type:  meeting  |      Status:  assigned
Priority:  major    |  Resolution:
Keywords:           |  Blocked By:
Blocking:           |
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Comment (by pwu):

 Updated https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Intelligent_Pinyin

Re: #19: gnu-free-fonts issue for Indic

Fedora Internationalization — 2013-04-25T02:54:29

#19: gnu-free-fonts issue for Indic
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Reporter:  aalam    |       Owner:  i18n< at >…
    Type:  meeting  |      Status:  new
Priority:  major    |  Resolution:
Keywords:           |  Blocked By:
Blocking:           |
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Comment (by aalam):

 sorry for got to add bug for reference
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=956192