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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting Recap 2008-10-06

John Poelstra — 2008-10-07T23:11:21

Recap and full IRC transcript found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/Meetings/2008-oct-06 Please make corrections and clarifications to the wiki page. == Ticket Review == * (spins for Fedora 9) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/24 ** Need feedback from spin owners * (Add a time stamp to the rawhide info) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/25 * (F9 Postmortem follow-up) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/106 ** f13 to add updates * (infrastructure for creating desktop live cds daily) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/764 * (Resign everything) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/767 ** progressing--almost done ** see IRC log for details * (spam-o-matic uses provides rather than package name in some instances) - Fedora Release Engineering - Trac - https://fedorahosted

Re: Proposed discussion point (Re: Plan for tomorrows (20081008)FESCO meeting)

Brian Pepple — 2008-10-07T23:04:14

Re: Plan for tomorrows (20081008) FESCO meeting

Toshio Kuratomi — 2008-10-07T21:50:07

Re: Plan for tomorrows (20081008) FESCO meeting

Manuel Wolfshant — 2008-10-07T21:34:46

could you guys also take a decision regarding the vendor_id for desktop files? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Minutes20080603#t12:15 suggests one thing, but the Guidelines page still insists on enforcing it. I would like to have it cleared so that we can go on with https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462381 Thanks manuel

Re: Upgrading to F10 was a bad experience

Ahmed Kamal — 2008-10-07T20:57:47

Re: Proposed discussion point (Re: Plan for tomorrows (20081008) FESCO meeting)

Christian Iseli — 2008-10-07T20:45:14

The discrepancy can be (at least partly) explained by the fact that the script producing the missing stats has some heuristics about packages to ignore. Package names matching these regexps are not flagged as missing: next if $k =~ /plugin/i; next if $k =~ /^(lib|compat-|xfce4-|gtk-|kmod-|fonts?-)/i; next if $k =~ /(-devel|lib[s0-9]*|-python|-perl|-servers?|-clients?|-tools?)$/i; next if $k =~ /(-contribs?|-docs?|-x?emacs|-utils?|-fonts?)$/i; Package having a summary containing this regexp: next if $BZOWN->{$k}->{'summary'} =~ /(binding|library|module|utilit)/i; And there is a short blacklist: "autodownloader" => 1, "theora-exp" => 1, "freetype1" => 1, "paragui" => 1 HTH... Cheers, Christian

Re: Upgrading to F10 was a bad experience

dexter — 2008-10-07T20:40:59

confirmed with ati driver also ... confirmed with X out the box ... OTOH kubuntu beta (ibex) comes up with opengl bling from the getgo, F10 freeeeezes when switched (ati 9200se) file bugz sit back and wait ... ...dex

Re: SELinux - copying ISO file content

Christian Iseli — 2008-10-07T20:34:09

Right, mea culpa and sorry about that. I thought my problem had the same root as the OP's problem, but it now appears I was wrong... Cheers, Christian

Re: Mysterious cmake failure on ppc64

2008-10-07T20:29:35

Can't reproduce on David's machine. Looks like it does fail in different locations in the koji builds (although always in some test). Not sure what to check now... - Orion

Re: Upgrading to F10 was a bad experience

Adam Jackson — 2008-10-07T20:10:44

Re: Plan for tomorrows (20081008) FESCO meeting

Toshio Kuratomi — 2008-10-07T19:48:21

Re: Remove a branch directory completely from cvs

Till Maas — 2008-10-07T18:16:59

Re: Proposed discussion point (Re: Plan for tomorrows (20081008)FESCO meeting)

Jerry James — 2008-10-07T18:20:16

Here's something to consider during this discussion. I haven't added all of my packages to comps.xml because there is no group which is really appropriate for several of them. I don't want to add them to some group that is only peripherally related to the function of the package, and I'm too lazy to figure out how to add new groups [1]. I suspect other package maintainers may have similar reasons for dragging their feet. Footnotes: [1] Well, not really lazy, but I recognize that adding groups is a significant step, and so it needs to be well justified. I am very busy with Real Life right now, so time spent putting together such a justification means no time for other activities that I'm more eager to engage in [2]. [2] Like watching the value of my retirement account fall.

Re: rawhide report: 20081007 changes

Mike Chambers — 2008-10-07T19:23:24

Tried a rawhide install this morning after I got it sync'd.. 1 - Language selection screen wouldn't pull in any languages (this happened before) and therefore nothing to select. 2 - When using the "askmethod" option, when configuring a static network, after putting in ipv4 info (IP, netmask, etc.) and hitting ok/next/continue/forward button, get some type of error bout ipv6 but cant' remember what it said. Either I hit a button or it did it on it's own and continued on. 3 - This next step from above, may or may not be related, but when I put in my server name and path to rawhide, it said couldn't find image(s)/stage2.img or install.img or something like that. And I know the dir is mounted and works fine. Couldn't go any further at this point.

[Correction] Disappointed: My feature was removed without noticingme

Christoph Wickert — 2008-10-07T19:16:46

Am Dienstag, den 07.10.2008, 20:37 +0200 schrieb Christoph Wickert: Just for the record: I just found the missing meeting summaries, they were published correctly. My bad :( Nevertheless I do not feel informed properly and I think FeSCo meeting summaries should go over fedora-devel-announce. Christoph

Re: Disappointed: My feature was removed without noticing me

Christoph Wickert — 2008-10-07T19:11:45

Am Dienstag, den 07.10.2008, 15:00 -0400 schrieb Bill Nottingham: Ok, agreed, but when feature freeze was on Sept. 11th, then they could have told me _much_earlier_ that my feature was out of luck anyway. Maybe we would have find a way cope with that, for example already make the comps changes so the strings are there for translation. Christoph

Re: Upgrading to F10 was a bad experience

José Matos — 2008-10-07T19:07:51

Go to systemsettings and see if you have a keyboard selected there: Country/Region & Language -> keyboard layout and select "disabled keyboard layouts". That should work. The same happened to me before FWIW.

Re: Disappointed: My feature was removed without noticing me

Richard W.M. Jones — 2008-10-07T19:06:54

Yes, I think it's disappointing that hard work gets dropped like this. It's verging on deletionism, which was the reason I left wikipedia. The Haskell feature was dropped at the same meeting just because the guy maintaining it wasn't there. Probably he didn't know the meeting was happening because he didn't read some announcement in one of the multitude of mailing lists that we need to keep up with. Or being in Europe, he might have been busy at 7/8pm in the evening. As a positive take from this, I think that the meeting organizer should CC all people who should be at the meeting, when sending the announcement. I also think that FESCo members shouldn't comment on proposals unless they are technically au fait with them. This means FESCo members taking some time each week to do technical work with the projects. Rich.

Re: Disappointed: My feature was removed without noticing me

Bill Nottingham — 2008-10-07T19:00:53

Christoph Wickert (christoph.wickert< at >googlemail.com) said: I'm not sure what you mean. The feature is supposed to be testable by the feature freeze, which is the same time as the string freeze. So it doesn't need called out specifically unless it *doesn't* make the feature freeze. Bill

Re: Disappointed: My feature was removed without noticing me

Christoph Wickert — 2008-10-07T18:57:03

Am Dienstag, den 07.10.2008, 20:50 +0200 schrieb Till Maas: This can't be the reason in my case: Poelstra edited the page and before I was the last one who did. So "only one" notification should have been sufficient, I should have gotten that one. Regards, Christoph

Re: How to package code compiled with 'gcc -m32'?

Richard W.M. Jones — 2008-10-07T18:56:05

http://hg.et.redhat.com/misc/fedora-mingw--devel Rich.