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Re: Per-user network up and down scripts

Don Marti — 2008-11-30T01:37:56

begin Brian quotation of Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 02:55:21PM -0600: Yes -- I have NetworkManager on this system (Debian testing) and the scripts in /etc/network/*.d get run at the right times. So it doesn't really make sense to have to start up a process as part of my session just to listen for D-Bus signals and run the scripts, when the system-level scripts are already getting run. I have mostly short-lived processes, not big things that stay running all the time. Except Evolution, but I'm looking for something to replace that. I like the "I Want Sandy" approach of having a virtual assistant address that you copy on the mail you send out saying that you're going to do something, or the mail you send out telling someone else to do something, and then getting reminders.

Re: Per-user network up and down scripts

Brian — 2008-11-26T20:55:21

Alternatively, a script that sits in /etc/network/if-up.d and checks all users' home directories for a script to run as that user would be a viable package. If Don's concern is polluting etc with unmanaged files, getting that into his distro would set things right.

Re: Per-user network up and down scripts

Nathaniel Smith — 2008-11-26T20:45:34

Another approach (used by a number of desktop apps these days) is to listen for D-Bus signals from NetworkManager. For a slightly different use case mostly (Firefox switching between "offline" and "online" mode, Pidgin triggering an automatic reconnection attempt, etc.) where the interested apps are already resident in memory, and of course it assumes you're using NetworkManager, but one could create a little session daemon who just listens for such events and then runs scripts, for instance.

Per-user network up and down scripts

Don Marti — 2008-11-26T16:40:10

I'm slowly populating my laptop's /etc/network/*.d directories with scripts to do the right things when I connect or disconnect. (Just submitted these scripts... http://zgp.org/~dmarti/tips/ifup-wwwoffle/ as a wishlist item for the Debian wwwoffle package, for example.) There's other stuff that I want to do when the net comes up or down that should run as me, not root. (Sync my IMAP mail, open ssh "master" connections which are tied to me, and so on.) Sure, I could put the scripts in /etc/network/*.d and have them su to me, but I don't want to mess up /etc with stuff that runs as me. What about having an /etc/network/if-up.d/user script, which would go through the members of a certain group, and if one of those users were logged in, see if that user has a $HOME/.network/if-up.d directory, and if so, run-parts everything in it? Has someone come up with a standard place for users to put things that they want to have happen when the network connection changes?

Re: Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt...

Teh Entar-Nick — 2008-11-05T13:32:59

Eugen Leitl: No, I'm pretty sure I meant T-shirt.

Re: Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt...

Eugen Leitl — 2008-11-05T13:08:15

ITYM OpenBSD.

Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt...

Teh Entar-Nick — 2008-11-05T12:50:25

Lame shirt, dippy copy, and clearly not cool enough to be one of us: http://www.jinx.com/men/shirts/geek/arrogant_linux_elitist.html

Re: "Why I Hate KDE 4"

Rick Moen — 2008-11-05T10:07:41

Quoting Shlomi Fish (shlomif< at >iglu.org.il): Good. I'm glad the kmail guys have some backbone, and don't pander to inane "bug reports". Bad. Once again, Shlomi, who the fsck cares? It's simply not up to you, and it's not up to me. Your possession of an opinion on the matter is (as usual) entirely irrelevant to the point; ergo I will not bother to address yours. The point is: standards compliance matters. Go out of your way to be an antisocial jerk, and you're inherently circling that much closer to people's killfiles. But please don't take my word for it. You're perfectly welcome to learn the hard way.

Re: "Why I Hate KDE 4"

Shlomi Fish — 2008-11-05T09:52:47

Very well. Actually, KMail 3.5.x puts it there whether I want it or not. See this bugs.kde.org bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77901 I tend to delete it manually. I dislike adding the dash-dash-space from the reasons I mentioned in the bug report and in this link: http://www.mail-archive.com/haifux%40haifux.org/msg00933.html Regards, Shlomi Fish ----------------------------------------------------------------- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ "Humanity" - Parody of Modern Life - http://xrl.us/bkeut Shlomi, so what are you working on? Working on a new wiki about unit testing fortunes in freecell? -- Ran Eilam

Re: "Why I Hate KDE 4"

Rick Moen — 2008-11-05T09:14:36

Quoting Shlomi Fish (shlomif< at >iglu.org.il): FWIW, although I take as given that you honestly did think that, I also think your judgement was, alas, not well founded. (Since you mentioned it.) Just as a reminder, the McQuary .signature limit is no more than _four_ lines following a flush-left "-- " delimiter. And you don't have that delmiter, either. Admittedly, that .sig delimiter's reliance on required yet invisible whitespace makes it a rather unfortunate convention, but it's nonetheless what MUA software will look for, so please do use it.

Re: "Why I Hate KDE 4"

Shlomi Fish — 2008-11-05T08:53:15

I posted a link to this article to exactly one forum - this one. I didn't go ahead publicising it. RSS and Atom are useful but they're not always a substitute for publicising particular entries of interest. No one has time to subscribe to all the RSS/Atom feeds in the world, and so if an entry is *of particular interest* to a certain forum, then it would be appropriate to publicise it there. My technical blog (just one of the blogs I maintain) contains many obscure technical tips (for Perl, Mandriva, and other technologies), tales of how I overcame particular bugs, and other things of low interest to this list and to many other people. As a result, they may choose not to subscribe to my web-feeds. On the other hand, I felt my KDE 4 rant was of particular interest. Also of note is that I don't follow http://www.catonmat.net/ , because I generally find it of low interest. On the other hand, when Peteris mentioned this post - http://www.catonmat.net/blog/set-operations-in-unix-shell/ - on IRC, I

Re: "Why I Hate KDE 4"

Shlomi Fish — 2008-11-05T08:52:38

Re: "Why I Hate KDE 4"

Don Marti — 2008-11-05T06:19:22

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Re: "Why I Hate KDE 4"

Ben Finney — 2008-11-05T01:03:53

Largely because there was no reason given in the post itself for why it would be of interest to follow the link. Yes, they can be; but the frequency of that occurrence is so low that “I posted a rant” is a poor indicator of such quality. The barrier for making a rant worthwhile to read is fairly high, and there was no evidence of that in the post announcing it. So I found the message *as presented here* to be useless clutter. Your message, on the other hand, I found very interesting and relevant in itself. Thank you.

Re: "Why I Hate KDE 4"

Karsten M. Self — 2008-11-04T22:36:48

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Re: Shlomi Fish wrote a RANT on hisBLOOOOOOOOGeverybody!

Greg Folkert — 2008-11-02T15:16:59

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Shlomi Fish wrote a RANT on his BLOOOOOOOOGeverybody!

Teh Entar-Nick — 2008-11-01T19:55:11

Dan Martinez: That was actually a reference to: http://teh.entar.net/~nick/mail/i-have-a-mole-on-my-left-arm And how do you know I don't wear long sleeves?

Re: "Why I Hate KDE 4"

Joe Sloan — 2008-11-01T17:16:42

Agreed, kde4 seems to have been managed badly. So, rather than be continually annoyed, I've been using gnome, and will check back every year or so to see if kde4 has reached a state of usability for those who were accustomed to functionality and smoothness of kde3. Joe

Re: "Why I Hate KDE 4"

Dan Martinez — 2008-11-01T14:35:12

Is it comfortable there? Doesn't the light hurt its eyes? Also, my nose itches. Dan

Re: "Why I Hate KDE 4"

Teh Entar-Nick — 2008-11-01T13:48:04

Ben Finney: I have a mole on my left arm.

Re: "Why I Hate KDE 4"

Ben Finney — 2008-11-01T13:39:32

I found some lint in my navel.