http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13408 <pre> I'm doing a bit of email catchup . . . Over time I've had no problem causing headaches for HR and company email systems by having a last name of MacIan . . . Emm Aye Cee Capital Eye Aye Enn. No, that's not MACE-ee-an, it's mack-EE-an. No, I'm not the senior US senator from Arizona. Yes, while I tinker about with computers, no, my last name is not mack-Lan either. That letter in the middle is Not a lower case ell, where if you are seeing and then transcribing an ell, then you clearly have one of those inferior fonts that does not include serifs. And then of course, when discussing names, one Must got to http://notwithoutmyhandbag.com/blog/category/badbabynames/ . . . . "I didn’t have this much trouble naming my first three kids either~~they are: Michelle Kaye, Kathleen Cierra, and Abbey Julieanna. What do you think of Kaylyn Arriana? Also, do you like the spelling Kaylan or Kaylyn better? Observe the evolution from sanity to madness. First the middle names are spelled funny</pre> Here At InfoChambers 2012-04-06T05:39:04 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13407 <pre>Quoting Nick Moffitt (nick&lt; at &gt;teh.entar.net): And remain inclined to do so. Fortunately, I have not lately encountered that particular variety of arrested development, so can avoid even that minor waste of time. </pre> Rick Moen 2012-04-04T16:51:54 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13406 <pre>Rick Moen: Ah, sorry. I guess I should have actually done a web search of that instead of my private mail archives. My bad, but in my defense I was rushed away from my mail before I could go back to edit. For a while you responded to mockery of your surname by intimating that the heckler must still be around 7 years old. At this point I've lost the motivation to locate public evidence of this, and leave it as an entertaining exercise for the reader. </pre> Teh Entar-Nick 2012-04-04T12:31:19 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13405 <pre>Quoting Nick Moffitt (nick&lt; at &gt;teh.entar.net): Sorry, but who what? Performing suggested search finds my assisting someone named Ashleigh with a XFree86 problem and carelessly alluding to something 'he' wrote, Ashleigh replying that she's a she, and my cheerily apologising for my error. (I try to be far more consistent about saying 'he or she', these days.) Second hit was my deciding to not waste time on a FidoNet flamer who started out a reply post with 'Ricky, what you have engaged in is a childish game' and went rapidly downhill from there. For purposes of that interaction, my name could have been John Smith and I'd have dismissed the gentleman for the same reason, which was that he had nothing to say. Your point will doubtless be fascinating once you arrive at it. _______________________________________________ Do not Cc: anyone else on mail sent to this list. The list server is set for maximum one recipient. linux-elitists mailing list linux-elitists&lt; at &gt;zgp.org http://zgp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/</pre> Rick Moen 2012-04-03T17:30:49 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13404 <pre>Rick Moen: Perhaps people with oft-questioned names could wear some kind of badges on their lapels containing a long-form birth certificate in a QR code! I'm sure that Google would support this, given their fast-track process for cancelling accounts with names that don't pass the commonality test in Fargo or wherever. Those of you who know me personally will know this already, but someone I am very close to has just such an unlikely name. Perhaps you could also object to my last name because of the nursery rhyme. Just do a Web search for "Rick Moen" and "second grade" to find him shutting down scores of talentless hecklers who'd encountered his name for the first time. A few lurkers on this list noted in IRC the other day that they honestly didn't suspect that Marc's last name really was "Merlin" until he started mocking Shlomi. </pre> Nick Moffitt 2012-04-03T16:42:06 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13403 <pre> That's what I meant :) (but more seriously I've always known you as a repository of random, and most often useful knowledge). Obviously I don't believe one has to change their name just so that it's more culturally convenient to others, although my wife, her sister and parents all just did that. If my name were confusing to others, I'd be frustrated about it and eventually state something in my signature about it to stop having to repeat the same thing to everyone. :) Funny thing is that since I come from a country where virtually everyone has 2 middle names, making duplicate identities virtually non existent, I'm dumbfounded by a country like the US with 300M people and people happy with using a single middle name, and usually even just a single initial. Talk about asking for ID confusion trouble. Marc </pre> Marc MERLIN 2012-04-03T15:57:11 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13402 <pre> Depends who you ask. I'm afraid you're as mistaken as I was on that one (well, on the 'thinks he knows everything' part). I suppose that makes you no better than me. I'm not playing for points. I said out loud what some others didn't, and others just solved by kill filling Shlomi without saying anything. But eh, I managed to embarras myself, so feel free to poke a stick at me, that's the price of my having made a incorrect default assumption. Some other day, I can also tell you about that guy who I had to Email and was called Fernanda, who I assumed was female after even going through the trouble of checking with a Spanish friend that Fernanda was indeed a female name. Marc </pre> Marc MERLIN 2012-04-03T15:49:44 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13401 <pre>On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 22:49:26 -0700 Rick Moen &lt;rick&lt; at &gt;linuxmafia.com&gt; wrote: Wow, this list is scary. Thanks for sharing it. I also ran into this (which I have yet to read): http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-personal-names The wikipedia "Middle name" article also seems interesting. Regards, Shlomi Fish </pre> Shlomi Fish 2012-04-03T08:59:24 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13400 <pre>Hi all, On Tue, 3 Apr 2012 06:48:28 +0300 Muli Ben-Yehuda &lt;MULI&lt; at &gt;il.ibm.com&gt; wrote: First of all, thanks to Rick and Muli for informing the list before I had a chance to. Shlomi Fish is indeed my real name, which might sound more normal to Israeli and Hebrew-speaking ears than to foreigners. I've written a little about my name on my homepage here: http://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/#your_name Namely, "Shlomi" means "My Shalom" or "Shalom-ful" or perhaps "The Shalom of Jehuvah" (it loses the "a" due to a certain rule of vowel-shortening after the movement of the stress in Hebrew, whose name I forgot.). "Shalom" is a Hebrew word which has several related meanings including "well-being", "peace", "harmony", and "welfare", not only "peace", as is sometimes believed. For example, people might say that the State of Israel will do anything it can to ensure the "shalom" (= "safety" or "well-being" in this case) of the hostages. Someone else (a .us English speaker I think) had assumed that my name was some k</pre> Shlomi Fish 2012-04-03T08:52:30 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13399 <pre> And all along I thought you were a smart guy. Now it comes out you're just another dumbass who thinks he knows everything. ("I've never seen that before; it must be fake!") Ha! And no you don't get any brownie points for being so "up front" about it. </pre> Bob Bernstein 2012-04-03T06:27:16 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13398 <pre>Quoting Marc MERLIN (marc&lt; at &gt;merlins.org): Eh, I just happen to know a lot of little things in a lot of areas of life, most of them utterly useless. However, if you ever need to know where to get incredibly good Hungarian blintzes just off Rehov Dizengoff in Tel Aviv, call me. ;-&gt; Marc, I don't know about you, but I can imagine the experience of having a name that some refuse to believe is real might get your stubborn up, and become something of a badge of pride. Nicknames and middle names can be a useful sideways step (though middle names exist only in some cultures and not others[1]). Alternatively, one might aspire to a level of fame and influence at which an odd name doesn't matter. When my mother worked at Rockefeller Foundation headquarters, the office was sometimes visited by several members of the very important, philanthropically inclined family of Governor Jim Hogg of Texas, including his very famous and very rich adult daughter, Ima Hogg. Nobody laughed. Not ever. [1] Fascinating Wikip</pre> Rick Moen 2012-04-03T05:49:26 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13397 <pre> Ok, in that case I do owe Shlomi an apology for my default assumption that the name was fake. My recommendation for that possibility stands then. Sorry to be blunt, but the name does sound fake and childish to people not knowledgeable with Jewish culture and knowledge other many factoids that Rick beats many of us on. I really would help to put a small signature "this is my real name, please see http://.. ". Usually I give people the benefit of the doubt, but the name looked too take to me, so sorry for that part. Marc </pre> Marc MERLIN 2012-04-03T03:57:36 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13396 <pre> Rick, if I may congratulate you for a truly elitist reply. Marc, I have known Shlomi for over ten years in the real world through the local Israeli Linux community. That is, unfortunate as it may be, his perfectly normal real name. Cheers, Muli _______________________________________________ Do not Cc: anyone else on mail sent to this list. The list server is set for maximum one recipient. linux-elitists mailing list linux-elitists&lt; at &gt;zgp.org http://zgp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-elitists </pre> Muli Ben-Yehuda 2012-04-03T03:48:28 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13395 <pre>Quoting Marc MERLIN (marc&lt; at &gt;merlins.org): The given name 'Shlomi' is a relatively rare Biblical name from the book of Numbers aka Badamidbar, and is (obviously) derived from the word for 'peace'. You may have never run across it before in the USA or France, but it's perfectly real nonetheless. It's also sometimes used as a diminutive for Shlomo (Solomon). 'Fish' is a somewhat common surname among Ashkenazic Jews, and is also a relatively rare English surname. (Not that you care, but, heaviest UK concentration is in West Yorkshire and Cumbria counties, in the north of England.) One notes that Shlomi is from Israel. I suspect that everyone's name is somewhere between peculiar and hilarious in a number of common languages, and so am very slow to accuse people with outlandish names of using fake ones -- and sympathetic towards those so accused. (My Uncle Reidar ducked the issue, going by 'Ray' when in the United States, just as my Aunt Bjorg went by 'Evie'.) L'hitraot, Rick M. (not entirely clueless re:</pre> Rick Moen 2012-04-03T00:08:31 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13394 <pre> I'm going to go on a limb, and assume that your parents aren't called Fish, and that they didn't call you Shlomi. If somehow, they did, you'll be much better off stating in your signature that it is your legal name. If they did not, then you can stop ignoring hints that using a your real name, not talking about yourself as the 3rd person, you're not Julius Cesar or a king last I checked, will earn you more attention and respect. Oh, also, tone down on the "oh look at what happened to me, this is so unfair, can I get you to be outraged for me?" To me, and apparently others, you sound like a clown, and therefore get the matching amount of respect and attention. Marc </pre> Marc MERLIN 2012-04-02T19:06:55 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13393 <pre>ׁHi Greg, thanks for your E-mail. On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:04:57 -0700 Greg KH &lt;greg&lt; at &gt;kroah.com&gt; wrote: The short answer is that I did it because registering this address is intended to get my other, more permanent addresses unbanned or at least put on probation, and that I don't wish to evade the ban or have the vger.kernel.org postmasters play whac-a-mole with throwaway webmail addresses that will be repeatedly banned (due to obvious moral/ethical reasons). The longer story is that after my address was banned I started receiving a message that my address was "a not liked source" [sic] of E-mail which I did not know what to make of it because it didn't tell me why that was the case. On IRC, riel told me that he suspected that was because Israel was at the time a big source of spam, so I tried with a different address. It took me a while to understand that I was banned (in large part due to the fact that the E-mail bounce message did not tell explicitly tell me that was the case, and tell me what I can d</pre> Shlomi Fish 2012-04-02T10:17:28 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13392 <pre>ׁHi Greg, thanks for your E-mail. On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:04:57 -0700 Greg KH &lt;greg&lt; at &gt;kroah.com&gt; wrote: The short answer is that I did it because registering this address is intended to get my other, more permanent addresses unbanned or at least put on probation, and that I don't wish to evade the ban or have the vger.kernel.org postmasters play whac-a-mole with throwaway webmail addresses that will be repeatedly banned (due to obvious moral/ethical reasons). The longer story is that after my address was banned I started receiving a message that my address was "a not liked source" [sic] of E-mail which I did not know what to make of it because it didn't tell me why that was the case. On IRC, riel told me that he suspected that was because Israel was at the time a big source of spam, so I tried with a different address. It took me a while to understand that I was banned (in large part due to the fact that the E-mail bounce message did not tell explicitly tell me that was the case, and tell me what I can d</pre> Shlomi Fish 2012-03-30T14:57:38 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13391 <pre> I would not, and I do not know of any such instances, but as our git tree is public, feel free to dig through it to see if you find any such instances. greg k-h _______________________________________________ Do not Cc: anyone else on mail sent to this list. The list server is set for maximum one recipient. linux-elitists mailing list linux-elitists&lt; at &gt;zgp.org http://zgp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-elitists </pre> Greg KH 2012-03-30T23:36:14 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13390 <pre>Quoting Karsten M. Self (karsten&lt; at &gt;linuxmafia.com): [...] Greg provided the appropriate reference, but I thought I'd add an (interested outsider's) observation or two of my own. The organisers of the kernel project aren't legally obliged to prove past question that every patchset has copyright clearance, but are aiming for being covered for 'due diligence' standards: They require the submitting party to certify knowledge of a permission grant by the copyright owner, and sufficient rights to make that grant meaningful. Thus, a _truly_ anonymous author's work cannot be accepted, as the submitter (at least) needs to be in a position to certify knowledge of provenance -- at minimum, that 'some other person' certified creation or right to submit the work under 'an appropriate open source license'. Thus, the kernel maintainers make sure they can reasonably claim good-faith reliance on the submitter's sign-off certifying permission grant and sufficient rights. That doesn't absolutely prevent copyright infringe</pre> Rick Moen 2012-03-30T23:31:04 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13389 <pre> Thanks for pointing that out. And mind I'm giving hypotheticals, not sure what's happening in practice. It appears that section 13 of SubmittingPatches would correspond to the Yale Wall model, though that's not clearly stated. I don't know if it should be, but text such as: In (special|exceptional) cases, by request, submissions _MAY_ be considered which are not tagged Signed-of-by, but are instead Acked-by a listed maintainer. E.g.: if you've got a bloody good reason, we'll consider your request, but no promises, and don't the lawyerly types don't like us doing this. In practice, Are patches ever accepted which are *only* Acked-By and not Signed-off-by? Would/have you done such a thing (acked someone's unsigned-by-request) patch? Thanks &amp; peace. </pre> Karsten M. Self 2012-03-30T22:29:07 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.elitists/13388 <pre> Did you read the Developer's Certificate of Origin (DCO) described in the file, Documentation/SubmittingPatches in the kernel source tree? That explains this question quite throughly I thought. If not, please point out where it should be clarified. thanks, greg k-h _______________________________________________ Do not Cc: anyone else on mail sent to this list. The list server is set for maximum one recipient. linux-elitists mailing list linux-elitists&lt; at &gt;zgp.org http://zgp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-elitists </pre> Greg KH 2012-03-30T19:07:23 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.linux.elitists