gmane.linux.debian.internationalization.general

Re: Bug#660965: Exploring the possibility of an l10n upload ofxfonts-traditional to fix pending po-debconf l10n bugs (and debconftemplates changes)

Christian PERRIER — 2012-05-22T16:58:24

Quoting Ian Jackson (ijackson< at >chiark.greenend.org.uk):

Sure. This is what I meant with "my final summary in the review bug report"



That could be done but I usually leave this aside because not every
maintainer wants to do  things the same way..:-)

As, anyway, all other reports are closed by the upload, there is
indeed no real problem in having the translations files in two places.

Properly closing the individual translation bug reports can of course
be a hassle for maintainers, which is why I include a changelog
excerpt in the final summary, too.



I wouldn't do that for all packages where I'm doing a review (because
having all translation bug reports is kind of a red flag in my l10n
survey scripts....showing that the said package has abunch of pending
updates for several loanguages) but I
usually adapt myself to whatever the maintainer thinks.

To summarize all this, I'm not hardly insisting on NMUing the package
(because I really fear doing something you wouldn't agree with...). My
main concern is h

Review in progress: icinga debconf templates

Christian PERRIER — 2012-05-22T17:05:15

The debconf templates for this package recently changed or were added.

As a consequence, the Debian English localization team is proposing a
complete review to the maintainer.

When that review starts, another notice will be sent as a followup to
this mail, announcing the intent of one of the Debian English
localization team members to review the templates.

It is likely that such review will trigger changes to templates.

As a consequence, translation work on this package's templates is
temporarily discouraged. Rushing out to update existing translations
or adding new ones is likely to lead to more confusion than benefit.

Calls for translations will be sent as soon as the review is complete.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Soon to come: review for icinga debconf templates

Christian PERRIER — 2012-05-22T17:04:23

The debconf templates for this package recently changed or were added.

As a consequence, the Debian English localization team is proposing a
complete review to the maintainer.

When that review starts, another notice will be sent as a followup to
this mail, announcing the intent of one of the Debian English
localization team members to review the templates.

It is likely that such review will trigger changes to templates.

As a consequence, translation work on this package's templates is
temporarily discouraged. Rushing out to update existing translations
or adding new ones is likely to lead to more confusion than benefit.

Calls for translations will be sent as soon as the review is complete.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Review in progress: ledgersmb debconf templates

Christian PERRIER — 2012-05-22T17:11:13

The debconf templates for this package recently changed or were added.

As a consequence, the Debian English localization team is proposing a
complete review to the maintainer.

When that review starts, another notice will be sent as a followup to
this mail, announcing the intent of one of the Debian English
localization team members to review the templates.

It is likely that such review will trigger changes to templates.

As a consequence, translation work on this package's templates is
temporarily discouraged. Rushing out to update existing translations
or adding new ones is likely to lead to more confusion than benefit.

Calls for translations will be sent as soon as the review is complete.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Soon to come: review for ledgersmb debconf templates

Christian PERRIER — 2012-05-22T17:10:26

The debconf templates for this package recently changed or were added.

As a consequence, the Debian English localization team is proposing a
complete review to the maintainer.

When that review starts, another notice will be sent as a followup to
this mail, announcing the intent of one of the Debian English
localization team members to review the templates.

It is likely that such review will trigger changes to templates.

As a consequence, translation work on this package's templates is
temporarily discouraged. Rushing out to update existing translations
or adding new ones is likely to lead to more confusion than benefit.

Calls for translations will be sent as soon as the review is complete.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Re: SV: Moving the target of localization pokes (and eventuallyNMUs)...

Christian PERRIER — 2012-05-22T17:25:56

Quoting Joe Dalton (joedalton2< at >yahoo.dk):


This has been fixed on i18n.debian.org as of yesterday and the l10n
web pages have been refreshed with this data.

And, of course, here comes the bad news:
- mysql-5.5 has two fuzzies because of trivial templates changes
- icinga has 3 new strings from a new template (that needs review)
- ledgersmb introduced some debconf templates without call for
translations. They need a review.

So, 100% moves again a little bit further, thanks to the tireless
efforts of our fellow package maintainers..:-)

Re: Bug#660918: Announce of the upcoming NMU for the collectdpackage

Helge Kreutzmann — 2012-05-22T17:42:54

Hello Sebastian,
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:38:16AM +0200, Sebastian Harl wrote:

The reason the translation should come in *before* the upload is that
debconf notes are shown only once. So if people read the English
version they will never read the localiized one, reducing the value of
the translation. 

Of course, if the template change has an urgent background (i.e. a
security fix requiring a template update) than the ugency has to be
balanced (although even then I think it would be valuable to give
users a chance to read the text in their language).

Greetings

          Helge

Re: Exploring the possibility of an l10n upload ofxfonts-traditional to fix pending po-debconf l10n bugs (and debconftemplates changes)

Ian Jackson — 2012-05-22T13:42:11

Christian PERRIER writes ("Re: Exploring the possibility of an l10n upload of xfonts-traditional to fix pending po-debconf l10n bugs (and debconf templates changes)"):

I assume you mean #660965.  You have CC'd 658416 which is a
content-free bug report which I closed and which has now been
archived.


Thinking about this: you appear to be saying that the updated
translations from #661479, #661718, etc. etc., are all in your tarball
in #660965.  In which case we should (a) put a note in the bottom of
the other reports (b) merge or close them all ?

Given the workflow here I think it would make more sense to close the
per-language reports.  That would probably avoid the possibility that
an updated translation would be attached to one of these reports but
dropped in favour of the one in your tarball.

Ian.

Re: Exploring the possibility of an l10n upload ofxfonts-traditional to fix pending po-debconf l10n bugs (and debconftemplates changes)

Ian Jackson — 2012-05-22T13:36:26

Christian PERRIER writes ("Re: Exploring the possibility of an l10n upload of xfonts-traditional to fix pending po-debconf l10n bugs (and debconf templates changes)"):

I'm afraid I haven't looked closely at the final version you've based
the English versions on.


Right.


I don't intend to make any semantic changes to the English text that
would require retranslation.  So this will not be necessary.


I'm sorry to be awkward and I intend to avoid the need for translators
to do additional work.

Thanks,
Ian.

Re: [DDTSS]: internal error fetching librhash-ruby and librd-ruby

Martijn van Oosterhout — 2012-05-21T20:34:18

Looks like around the 14th something happened with the import process
so it seemed to have introduced short versions of some descriptions.
Very odd.

Have a nice day,

On 13 May 2012 13:43, Joe Dalton <joedalton2< at >yahoo.dk> wrote:

Re: SV: [DDTSS]: the DDTSS system go down if I try to open a packagedescription

Martijn van Oosterhout — 2012-05-21T20:24:03

Ok, the description you're looking at consists of some 10,000 words
which the algorithm didn't handle very well. I've installed the
libalgorithm-diff-xs-perl packages which seems to have speeded it up
significantly.

Re: SV: [DDTSS]: the DDTSS system go down if I try to open a packagedescription

Martijn van Oosterhout — 2012-05-21T20:07:53

I've had a look and it seems to be getting lost inside the code that
handles creating the diff??? AFAIK nothing has changed here.

Have a nice day,

On 17 May 2012 12:39, Davide Prina <davide.prina< at >gmail.com> wrote:

Re: Exploring the possibility of an l10n upload ofxfonts-traditional to fix pending po-debconf l10n bugs (and debconftemplates changes)

Christian PERRIER — 2012-05-21T16:34:51

Quoting Ian Jackson (ijackson< at >chiark.greenend.org.uk):


Sigh. I thought we had converged about the English texts, at least for
the debconf templates. So, I based the call for translations on the
texts of templates which is the final one in the review bug report.

So, if *for debconf templates*, you take only some changes, I suggest
to:

- update the *.templates file as you would like them to be
- pick the PO files *as they are* in my final summary in the review
bug report
- run debconf-updatepo. That will resync translations with English
texts
- check what changed in the translations. If some English texts
changed from the texts they were based on, you should see "fuzzy" or
"untranslated string".
  cd debian/po
  for i in *po; do msgfmt -o /dev/null --statistics $i ; done

If translations are not complete, then another translation update
round is needed. Here, podebconf-update-po(1) is your friend (or /me
even if I'll feel like I'm doing the job twice).

Of course, if things you want to cherrypick are in de

Re: Exploring the possibility of an l10n upload ofxfonts-traditional to fix pending po-debconf l10n bugs (and debconftemplates changes)

Ian Jackson — 2012-05-21T14:37:29

Christian PERRIER writes ("Exploring the possibility of an l10n upload of xfonts-traditional to fix pending po-debconf l10n bugs (and debconf templates changes)"):
...

I have no objection to this NMU, provided that you don't change the
English texts.

If I wish to take some but not all of the changes suggested by the
English l10n review, what is the deadline by which I should make and
upload those changes to avoid disrupting translations ?

Thanks,
Ian.

Re: SV: Moving the target of localization pokes (and eventuallyNMUs)...

Christian PERRIER — 2012-05-21T13:41:54

Quoting Joe Dalton (joedalton2< at >yahoo.dk):

Yes, I've been notified of this and I'm working on it.

SV: Moving the target of localization pokes (and eventually NMUs)...

Joe Dalton — 2012-05-21T13:13:46

pages doesn't seem to have been updated since may 2 ?

bye
Joe
Danish
 
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Emne: Moving the target of localization pokes (and eventually NMUs)...

With the final steps of the release of Wheezy approaching, I will, from
now on, move the focus of my l10n attention to packages that are blocking
some of the localization goals.

One of them is 100% completeness for debconf translations in wheezy
for seven languages: Czech, Swedish, Spanish, Portuguese, German,
Russian and French.

As a consequence, I will now be nagging *hardly* the maintainers of
packages that are blocking this 100%  completeness. These packages are
listed on the following pages:
http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/cs
http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/sv
http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/es
http://www.debian.org/inte

Re: Bug#660918: Announce of the upcoming NMU for the collectdpackage

Sebastian Harl — 2012-05-21T09:38:16

Hi,

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 07:12:39PM +0200, Christian PERRIER wrote:

Let's call this constructive feedback :-)


I'm sorry, I assumed that to be the "usual" workflow.


Let me mumble (back) a bit ;-)

I suppose the reason I assumed to upload before considering translations
was that it de-couples the two processes a bit. Imho this would be a
nice feature in a volunteer-driven project as it removes delay. Also, we
will be back to 100% within a few days -- I suppose at about the same
time as the upload would have happened else.

This is just my two cents. If you prefer it the other way around, I can
perfectly live with that as debconf changes will probably happen rarely
in my case after all ;-)


Sorry for that … that just happened to be a bad coincidence in your and
my workflows.


Thanks for taking care of that. I just noticed that podebconf-report-po
--mutt just left the E-mails in my Drafts folder *whistle*

Cheers,
Sebastian

Reminder for graphite-carbon translation updates

Christian PERRIER — 2012-05-21T04:40:07

This is a reminder for the running translation round for debconf
templates of graphite-carbon.

Currently complete languages:
 da de es fr pl ru

Currently existing but incomplete languages:


Please send out updates before Tuesday, May 22, 2012.

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012, I will notify 
the graphite-carbon maintainers that they can upload a new package
version.

So, if you have something being worked on, please send it as
soon as possible.

Please contact me privately if you want to obtain the PO file for
incomplete languages. The POT file can be obtained from the list
archives.

There is always a chance that a translation you or your team sent
slipped through my mail and spam filters. If you indeed send an update
as a bug report and your language is still listed here, please point
me to the bug number.

Moving the target of localization pokes (and eventually NMUs)...

Christian PERRIER — 2012-05-21T05:29:33

With the final steps of the release of Wheezy approaching, I will, from
now on, move the focus of my l10n attention to packages that are blocking
some of the localization goals.

One of them is 100% completeness for debconf translations in wheezy
for seven languages: Czech, Swedish, Spanish, Portuguese, German,
Russian and French.

As a consequence, I will now be nagging *hardly* the maintainers of
packages that are blocking this 100%  completeness. These packages are
listed on the following pages:
http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/cs
http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/sv
http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/es
http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/pt
http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/de
http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/ru
http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/fr

...at the top of each page.

For most, if not all, of them, there are pending translations in the
BTS. Fortunately, all of these are

Re: Bug#660918: Announce of the upcoming NMU for the collectdpackage

beatrice — 2012-05-20T19:01:19


No worries, I understand coordination is a though work.


I see you sent on the list the new pot file. I will use it to update my
template and work from there. Thanks

beatrice

console-data dropped from D-I i18n "level 2"

Christian PERRIER — 2012-05-20T17:33:26

As we switched to console-setup for the console keyboard settings, I
just dropped the inclusion of console-data localization statistics
from Debian Installer localization statistics.

That will remove a small burden from the shoulders of translators who
want to achieve 100% completeness for all D-I levels.

It does of course not mean that translations for console-data are
abandoned...but they're likely to be less and less used. And the
package will sooner or later be orphaned (probably after wheezy).