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Re: (maybe) constitutional amendment: clarification of section 5.1.5

Kurt Roeckx — 2012-05-20T12:40:20

After re-reading it, I have to agree.


Kurt

Re: (maybe) constitutional amendment: clarification of section 5.1.5

Steve Langasek — 2012-05-20T01:18:29



Please re-read - this is not what "accepted" means in the context of an
amendment :)

Re: (maybe) constitutional amendment: clarification of section 5.1.5

Kurt Roeckx — 2012-05-20T00:17:49

I think they do reset the discussion period when they get accepted
(have enough seconds), but I would need to re-read that to confirm
it.


Kurt

Re: (maybe) constitutional amendment: clarification of section 5.1.5

Steve Langasek — 2012-05-19T23:57:56

Hi Wouter,

On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 08:55:39PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:






I'm quite certain that's the correct interpretation.  Why do you now think
this interpretation is incorrect?


A "draft" GR is one that is still in the process of being brought to a vote.
The DPL has the power to put a draft up for consideration and start the
clock on the amendment process, without requiring any seconds to do so.

Likewise, under the Standard Resolution Procedure (Appx. A), the DPL can
propose an amendment to someone else's resolution which becomes a formal
amendment with no seconds required, and it can be accepted by the drafter of
the original proposal or rejected and immediately become an additional
ballot option.


Bearing in mind that the meaning of "accepted amendment" is an amendment
*that's accepted by the author of the original proposal* and is thus
incorporated into the first ballot option.  Rejected amendments, i.e. those
that result in additional ballot options, do not reset the discussion
period.

General Resolution: Diversity statement, first call for votes

Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx — 2012-05-19T23:51:03

Hi,

This is the first call for votes for the General Resolution about
a diversity statement.

     Voting period starts      00:00:00 UTC on Sunday,   May  20th, 2012
     Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday, June  2nd, 2012

The following ballot is for voting on a diversity statement.
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact secretary< at >debian.org.

The details of the general resolution can be found at:
http://www.debian.org/vote/2012/vote_002

Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time before the end of
the vote by sending a signed mail to
   ballot< at >vote.debian.org
with the subject "diversity".

HOW TO VOTE

First, read the full text of the platform.

To cast a vote, it is necessary to send this ballot filled out to a
dedicated e-mail address, in a signed message, as described below.
The dedicated email address this ballot should be sent to is

(maybe) constitutional amendment: clarification of section 5.1.5

Wouter Verhelst — 2012-05-19T18:55:39

Hi all,

When I read the constitution so many years ago for the first time, there
were some things that stuck, and others that didn't. One of the things
that stuck was a particular power of the DPL which I hadn't seen used
in, like, forever. And when I wanted to send a private mail to our
current DPL about that subject, I noticed that my reading of the
constitution may have been in error.

Section 3.1.2 of the constitution reads as follows:

[...An individual developer may...]
2. Propose or sponsor draft General Resolutions

whereas section 5.1.5 reads as follows:

[...The project leader may...]
5. Propose draft General Resolutions and amendments.

I had always, probably incorrectly, interpreted the lack of the words
"or sponsor" in that sentence as meaning that a GR proposal from the
project leader doesn't actually require sponsors.

That interpretation probably would have made sense if the word "draft"
wasn't in that sentence: in that case, non-DPL DD's could propose
"draft" GR statements, which would beco

Re: Call for vote - Diversity statement for the Debian Project

Amaya — 2012-05-19T10:39:40

Heh, I was wondering :) Thx for the quick reply. 
/me gets another coffee now :)

Re: Call for vote - Diversity statement for the Debian Project

Cyril Brulebois — 2012-05-19T10:37:28

Amaya <amaya< at >debian.org> (19/05/2012):

The vote isn't open yet. Wait for a ballot on dda/dv, from the
secretary. ;)

Mraw,
KiBi.

Re: Call for vote - Diversity statement for the Debian Project

Amaya — 2012-05-19T10:33:32

The Reply-To isn't set. So what email address should my vote be sent to?

Thanks, and excuse the silly question.

Re: Call for vote - Diversity statement for the Debian Project

Kurt Roeckx — 2012-05-19T00:54:40

That's not relevant since this is not a secret vote.


Kurt

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Re: Call for vote - Diversity statement for the Debian Project

Stéphane Glondu — 2012-05-17T17:26:33

Le 16/05/2012 00:28, Kurt Roeckx a écrit :

Has the issue mentioned in [1] been taken into account?

[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/04/msg00528.html


Cheers,

Re: Call for vote - Diversity statement for the Debian Project

Paul Wise — 2012-05-16T03:00:35


I like it myself, makes for headlines like "Debian welcomes everyone!".

Re: Call for vote - Diversity statement for the Debian Project

Gunnar Wolf — 2012-05-15T23:46:58

Kurt Roeckx dijo [Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:28:32AM +0200]:

To me, it looks you were very happy!

Re: Call for vote - Diversity statement for the Debian Project

Kurt Roeckx — 2012-05-15T22:28:32

I'll start the vote during the weekend.  But I need to think about
the name of the option, I wasn't very happy with it when I wrote
that.


Kurt

Re: Call for vote - Diversity statement for the Debian Project

Francesca Ciceri — 2012-05-15T21:52:43

Yup, it sounded strange to me too, but I preferred to be consistent with the
choice made by the Secretary in this page:
http://www.debian.org/vote/2012/vote_002

:)

Cheers,
Francesca

Re: Call for vote - Diversity statement for the Debian Project

Steve Langasek — 2012-05-15T21:42:58



BTW, while I think presenting some people in the project with this set of
choices would be entertaining, a more neutral way to word the first ballot
option might be:

  Ratify proposed diversity statement

;)

Re: Call for vote - Diversity statement for the Debian Project

Steve Langasek — 2012-05-15T21:40:33


I find the juxtaposition of these ballot options absolutely hilarious. 
Nicely done. :-)

Call for vote - Diversity statement for the Debian Project

Francesca Ciceri — 2012-05-15T21:34:42

Dear Debian Developers,

since the minimum discussion period is now over and since no amendments
have been proposed, I'm hereby calling for a vote.

----TEXT TO BE VOTED STARTS HERE------------------------------------

The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone.

No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we
welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they
interact constructively with our community.

While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value
and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, 
and welcome them into our community.

----TEXT TO BE VOTED ENDS HERE--------------------------------------


A corresponding ballot might look like the following:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
[   ] Choice 1: Welcome everyone
[   ] Choice 2: Further discussion
-----------------------------------------------------------------------


Cheers,
Francesca

Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the DebianProject

Kurt Roeckx — 2012-05-14T21:33:10

The one 1 week discussion period is now over.


Kurt

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