http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3666 <pre>Paul, My $.02 CDN: what Ira said, but also my whole point was not to import what has been done in the other job tickets but to make sure what we did was not incompatible - we should be able to a) express what the simple enums expand to and b) allow for a /slightly/ better mapping to/from other job tickets for use on typical office equipment, without obvious incompatibilities. For example, I don't want to see IPP support the complex origami that is possible with JDF's Fold Catalogue, but I *do* want to support the various 2, 3, and 4-panel folding patterns that are common when printing brochures and maps on office equipment. These currently are covered by the new finishings values in the IPP Paid Printing Extensions, but the fold positions, directions, and edges are assumed/calculated by the printer based on the media used. It would be nice to specify where these folds occur on the output media, e.g., to fold so that a "tab" is left exposed in a 3-fold design. +----+----+------+ +----+-+ </pre> Michael Sweet 2013-05-21T19:00:43 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3665 <pre>Hi Paul, I understand the more limited scope of your proposal to look at PODI and friends. But I simply don't want to expand any IPP existing attributes and finishing types unless they're needed and important for higher fidelity PJT mappings from JDF or MSPS. Even looking ahead to MODCA should be deferred. Standard numbers and revision year numbers are cheap. I prefer not to open that can of worms (endless world of finishing type-specific option details) in the near term. The objective is just to define the one finishing-template attribute (keyword type names) and the enclosed finishing type-specific members in an IPP 'collection' work, particular for IPP Implementors Guide v2 to recommend best practice for finishings-col. Narrower scope is better, I suggest. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded </pre> Ira McDonald 2013-05-21T18:23:59 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3664 <pre>Hi Ira, What I was thinking about in mentioning the other organizations was to review the elements we want to map (stapling, folding, punching, trimming) to see what values the specifications from these organizations support for these limited items. Best Regards, /Paul -- Paul Tykodi Principal Consultant TCS - Tykodi Consulting Services LLC Tel/Fax: 603-343-1820 Mobile: 603-866-0712 E-mail: ptykodi&lt; at &gt;tykodi.com WWW: &lt;http://www.tykodi.com/&gt; http://www.tykodi.com From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic&lt; at &gt;gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:50 PM To: Paul Tykodi Cc: Michael Sweet; ipp&lt; at &gt;pwg.org Subject: Re: [IPP] RFC: Proposed errata for PWG 5100.3 (Production Printing) Hi Paul, Looking at PODI et al would open endless possibilities. I agree with Mike that defining the low-hanging fruit for finishing that specifically map to the most commonly used JDF and MSPS finishing should be our limited and practical scope. BTW - the Open Printing JTAPI spec specifically chose a small subset</pre> Paul Tykodi 2013-05-21T16:56:10 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3663 <pre>Hi Paul, Looking at PODI et al would open endless possibilities. I agree with Mike that defining the low-hanging fruit for finishing that specifically map to the most commonly used JDF and MSPS finishing should be our limited and practical scope. BTW - the Open Printing JTAPI spec specifically chose a small subset of finishing types to standardize in the JTAPI abstract Job model - these are already harmonized with JDF. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic&lt; at &gt;gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 1</pre> Ira McDonald 2013-05-21T16:49:41 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3662 <pre>Hi Mike, For this particular specification, I think we should consult information from the UP³I and potentially PODi organizations as well. Best Regards, /Paul -- Paul Tykodi Principal Consultant TCS - Tykodi Consulting Services LLC Tel/Fax: 603-343-1820 Mobile: 603-866-0712 E-mail: ptykodi&lt; at &gt;tykodi.com WWW: &lt;http://www.tykodi.com/&gt; http://www.tykodi.com From: ipp-bounces&lt; at &gt;pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces&lt; at &gt;pwg.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:45 AM To: ipp&lt; at &gt;pwg.org Subject: [IPP] RFC: Proposed errata for PWG 5100.3 (Production Printing) All, As discussed in last week's session, there is no easy migration from the finishings attribute (1setOf type2 enum) to the finishings-col attribute (1setOf collection). The primary issue is that the finishing-template member attribute is defined as a name value and does not support well-known keyword values. I propose that we amend the definition of the finishing-template member attribute and finishing-template-supporte</pre> Paul Tykodi 2013-05-21T16:25:22 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3661 <pre>All, As discussed in last week's session, there is no easy migration from the finishings attribute (1setOf type2 enum) to the finishings-col attribute (1setOf collection). The primary issue is that the finishing-template member attribute is defined as a name value and does not support well-known keyword values. I propose that we amend the definition of the finishing-template member attribute and finishing-template-supported Printer attribute to include type2 keywords, e.g.: "finishings-col (1setOf collection)" "finishing-template (name(MAX) | type2 keyword)" &lt;--- NEW "stitching (collection)" "stitching-locations (1setOf integer(0:MAX))" "stitching-offset (integer(0:MAX))" "stitching-reference-edge (type2 keyword)" "finishing-template-supported (1setOf (name(MAX) | type2 keyword))" &lt;--- NEW "finishings-col-supported (1setOf type2 keyword)" "stitching-locations-supported (1setOf (integer(0:MAX) | rangeOfInteger(0:MAX)))" "stitching-</pre> Michael Sweet 2013-05-21T14:45:11 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3660 <pre>All, I have posted the minutes from last week's IPP F2F sessions to: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-f2f-minutes-20130516.pdf Our next conference call is June 10, 2013 at 3pm ET. New action items: - Mike to change IPP Manager to IPP Proxy in IPPSIX - Mike and Ira to propose finishing-template solution - Mike to add finishing-template-supported (1setOf name(MAX)) Printer attribute to registry _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair </pre> Michael Sweet 2013-05-21T14:07:52 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3659 <pre>Hi, Pat - we hope to forward this version to the IETF Applications Area Directors for eventual IETF Last Call (first, probably review by LDAPexperts). I *have* assigned OIDs to the few new attributes, because we have a stable set chosen in section 4.1 of the IPP Everywhere spec. I've just posted a fifth Internet-Draft of LDAP Schema for PrinterServices to: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-04-20130517.txt - plaintext Internet-Draft format (warning - contains explicit formfeed characters) ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-04-20130517.pdf - line numbered PDF of plaintext - use this version for review, please This document has already been accepted and posted to the IETF I-D repository. This document was created by revising the original LDAP Schema for Printer Services [RFC3712]. Cheers, - Ira --------------------------------------- 17 May 2013 - draft-mcdonald-ldap-printer-schema-04.txt - Fifth draft - for IEEE-ISTO PWG IP</pre> Ira McDonald 2013-05-17T23:46:11 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3658 <pre>Greetings, While working on the IPP Best Practices ound a typo in JPS3. On page 58 of "cs-ippjobprinterext3v10-20120727-5100.13.pdf", "job-preferred-attributes-supported" should be "preferred-attributes-supported". HTH, Smith _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp&lt; at &gt;pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp </pre> Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect 2013-05-17T17:53:27 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3657 <pre>Minutes for this week's PWG Plenary are posted at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/minutes/pwg-plenary-minutes-20130514.htm Cheers, - Ira (PWG Secretary) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic&lt; at &gt;gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 </pre> Ira McDonald 2013-05-17T16:02:07 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3656 <pre>All, I have posted the minutes from the OpenPrinting sessions at the PWG F2F to: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/openprinting/minutes/openprinting-minutes-20130515.pdf _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair </pre> Michael Sweet 2013-05-16T05:03:20 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3655 <pre>Greetings, A new draft of IPP Best Practices has been posted to the PWG FTP site, in what I believe is its proper location: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-bestp10-20130513.pdf ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-bestp10-20130513.docx ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp-bestp10-20130513-rev.pdf This is the draft we can use for our discussion at the Face-to-Face discussion that I believe is scheduled for Friday. Cheers, Smith _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp&lt; at &gt;pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp </pre> Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect 2013-05-14T02:51:18 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3654 <pre>---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: IANA General Enquiries via RT &lt;iana-questions&lt; at &gt;iana.org&gt; Date: Mon, May 13, 2013 at 8:32 AM Subject: [IANA #681090] AutoReply: General Request for Assignment To: blueroofmusic&lt; at &gt;gmail.com To whom it may concern: This is an automatically generated message to notify you that we have received your request, and it has been recorded in our ticketing system with a reference number of 681090. There is no need to reply to this message right now. IANA staff will review your message shortly. If this message is in reply to a previously submitted ticket, it is possible that the previous ticket has been marked as closed. 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To expedite processing, and ensure our staff can view the full history of this request, please make sure you include the follow exact text in the subject line of all future correspondence on this issue: [IANA #681090] You can also simply reply to t</pre> Ira McDonald 2013-05-13T12:35:30 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3653 <pre>Hi, I've just posted another Internet-Draft of IPP over HTTP Transport Binding and 'ipps' URI Scheme to: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-07-20130512.txt - plaintext Internet-Draft format (warning - contains explicit formfeed characters) ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-07-20130512.pdf - PDF of plaintext w/ line numbers (review *this* one) ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-07-20130512.htm - HTML format This document has already been accepted and posted to the IETF I-D repository. This document was created by a complete rewrite of IPP URI Scheme [RFC3510]. This version has minor editorial changes since the previous version - see below. Comments? Cheers, - Ira ------------------------------------ Change History 12 May 2013 - draft-mcdonald-ipps-uri-scheme-07.txt Editorial - Revised section 1 (introduction) to add 'Rationale for this document', per Smith Kennedy. Editorial - Global - Chan</pre> Ira McDonald 2013-05-12T22:15:36 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3652 <pre>All, I have posted the minutes from today's joint IPP/Cloud conference call to: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20130506.pdf The next Cloud meeting will be at the F2F on May 15, 2013 at 9am PT. The next IPP meetings will be at the F2F on May 16 and 17, 2013 at 9am PT. The next IPP WG conference call will be on June 10, 2013 at 3pm ET. The next Cloud WG conference call will be on June 3, 2013 at 3pm ET. New action items: - Mike to send IPPS rationale text and IPPS DNS-SD registration to Ira - Mike to post IPP WG last call of Paid Printing _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair </pre> Michael Sweet 2013-05-06T23:22:22 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3651 <pre>[corrected date in announcement] All, Our next IPP WG call is this week Monday 6 May 12-2pm US Pacific / 3-5pm US Eastern Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary) Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup) Attendee Access Code: *******# Attendee ID Code: # (empty) ------------------------------ ------------------------- Meeting information ------------------------------------------------------- Date: Every Monday, from Monday, July 9, 2012 to no end date Time: 12:00 pm, Pacific Daylight Time (San Francisco) Meeting Number: 624 587 312 Meeting Password: pwg123 ------------------------------------------------------- To start or join the online meeting ------------------------------------------------------- Go to https://appleinc.webex.com/appleinc/j.php?ED=204995427&amp;UID=504472682&amp;PW=NNzM5MmRlMzBl&amp;RT=MiM0 ------------------------------------------------------- Agenda: (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker - Mike (2) Approve </pre> Ira McDonald 2013-05-05T23:11:19 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3650 <pre>All, Our next IPP WG call is today, Monday 22 April 12-2pm US Pacific / 3-5pm US Eastern Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary) Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup) Attendee Access Code: *******# Attendee ID Code: # (empty) ------------------------------ ------------------------- Meeting information ------------------------------------------------------- Date: Every Monday, from Monday, July 9, 2012 to no end date Time: 12:00 pm, Pacific Daylight Time (San Francisco) Meeting Number: 624 587 312 Meeting Password: pwg123 ------------------------------------------------------- To start or join the online meeting ------------------------------------------------------- Go to https://appleinc.webex.com/appleinc/j.php?ED=204995427&amp;UID=504472682&amp;PW=NNzM5MmRlMzBl&amp;RT=MiM0 ------------------------------------------------------- Agenda: (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker - Mike (2) Approve IPP minutes from previous meeting </pre> Ira McDonald 2013-05-05T23:09:24 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3649 <pre>All, I have posted my draft IPP slides for the F2F to: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-agenda-may-13d1.pdf _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair </pre> Michael Sweet 2013-05-02T18:42:05 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3648 <pre>Apple has prototyped all of the attributes, values, and operation extensions in the current draft of the IPP Paid Printing Extensions. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair </pre> Michael Sweet 2013-05-01T19:43:08 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3647 <pre>All, I have just posted an new prototype draft of the IPP Paid Printing Extensions to: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipppaid10-20130501.docx ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipppaid10-20130501.pdf ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipppaid10-20130501-rev.pdf Because there were only 5 comments at the April 22, 2013 conference call, I have advanced the status of this document to Prototype. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair </pre> Michael Sweet 2013-05-01T19:42:05 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.ipp/3646 <pre>All, I have posted another update of the IPP Everywhere Self-Certification Manual 1.0 to: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20130501.docx ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20130501.pdf ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeveselfcert10-20130501-rev.pdf This update includes the changes from the April 2nd version of the document since we haven't reviewed that document yet. For review at the F2F. _________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair </pre> Michael Sweet 2013-05-01T19:25:21 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.ietf.ipp