gmane.games.wormux.devel

[Warmux-dev] Name change in IANA

Paul Smits — 2011-02-26T19:41:32

Good evening to you all,

http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers
still uses the old project name. Is this desirable?

[Warmux-dev] Public servers started for 11.01

Matthieu Fertré — 2011-01-22T10:09:40

Hi,

Public servers are started for 11.01

Regards,

Matt (gentildemon)

[Warmux-dev] website

yeKcim — 2011-01-14T10:24:12

Finally i hate the cms we have choose for wormux website. It's 
impossible to find a lot of options. Actually some pages doesn't display 
picture for an unknown reason, that's really annoying. I propose to 
create, some little html pages really simple, in a first time for the 
warmux release. We will improve the website later. What do you think 
about it?

yeKcim

Re: [Warmux-dev] Galician (gl) translation updated

Kurosu — 2010-12-31T07:24:15

Hi,

Le 24/03/2008 12:38, Adrián Chaves a écrit :

Following a more recent private mail, I confirm your mail reached us, 
alas without translation file attached.

I don't know if you are registered to any mailing list, so don't 
hesitate to send again a private mail to make sure the translation 
arrives. I'd then suggest to register to at least warmux-update if not 
already done:
https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warmux-update

This way, you'll receive messages only when your help for translating is 
requested.

Thanks and sorry that you had no reply,
Christophe

[Warmux-dev] Ubuntu-Font

Robert Clausecker — 2010-12-02T12:28:00

AFAIK, the ubuntu font supports at least these writing-systems:

      * latin (plus a lot of extensions for most languages) 
      * greek (including polytonic symbols) 
      * cyrillic (don't know)

I think it would make Wormux somewhat special. Also, we would be the
first FLOSS program which ships it.

Yours, Robert Clausecker.

Re: [RFC] Changing the project name

Kurosu — 2010-11-08T12:54:09

Hi,

----- RCL <rcl< at >mail.ru> a écrit :

No, and I fear they may not be the only stakeholders to consider if we go that way. In addition, I wouldn't be sure of whom to contact.

Note: the problem at stake is IMO not of "fair use" (a US special case of copyright exception), but really of "unfair competition"/plagiarism.


I see 2 problems with this approach:
1) This would make the situation quite clear, but I'm unsure of the consequences. What has happened to Hedgewars makes me think that some stakeholder may pursue any opportunity of controlling the market through IP strategies. In Wormux case, only the name could really cause such a problem.
2) What is granted at some point might not be forever. In particular, even a written promise without legal basis could become insufficient. And getting such a written and legally binding promise seems improbable to me.

But you're right it would be so much simpler. I'm personally unwilling to do it myself.

I haven't seen any comment though on whether the renaming seems

Fair use (?)

Robert Clausecker — 2010-11-07T11:21:35


Hm... The question is, how much they have to pay for the app in the
store or whether it's free.  But you can ask.

(Best would be one of the leaders)

Kind regards, Robert Clausecker

Re: [RFC] Changing the project name

RCL — 2010-11-06T12:27:53

Have you tried to discuss that with Team 17? Maybe it's not an issue
for them and you could get some kind of permission to use current
name.

Cheers,
Dmitry

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Kurosu <kurosu-GANU6spQydw< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

[RFC] Changing the project name

Kurosu — 2010-11-05T13:19:52

Hi,

I have the belief (and some IP right enforcement cases underlining a potential danger) that the project/game name should stop referring to its worms-clone origin. I have tried to list things required for that (imo required) transition here:
http://www.wormux.org/phpboost/wiki/name-transition

This is both a dangerous thing to do, and a potential opportunity. A dangerous thing because transitions always incur the risk of loosing something, an opportunity because the change and required actions may bring new attention to our project.

This shall coincide with several things that, if debatable, should be split off to their own discussion thread:
- numbering change (a long-standing discussion); among those consulted, year.month was the preferred format
- release of the new version, including Android support; it will be delayed by the transition

Well, what do you think about it? Anyone volunteering for some of the tasks?

Best regards,
Christophe

Debian packages?

Kurosu — 2010-10-22T16:16:27

Hi,

from http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wormux
you can see latest debian package is 0.8.5; this means people using a debian won't be able to play network games, and their bug report would be useless. Do you know how to gently nudge the packager to push 0.9.2.1 at least in sid?

Also, is the wormux-servers package of any worth? AFAIK, it won't be able to talk to the main index server, due to protocol changes.
http://packages.debian.org/sid/wormux-servers
Same, this should be dropped, not because the package is not working, but it is of no use.

Best regards,
Christophe

Debian packages?

Kurosu — 2010-10-22T16:16:27

Hi,

from http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wormux
you can see latest debian package is 0.8.5; this means people using a debian won't be able to play network games, and their bug report would be useless. Do you know how to gently nudge the packager to push 0.9.2.1 at least in sid?

Also, is the wormux-servers package of any worth? AFAIK, it won't be able to talk to the main index server, due to protocol changes.
http://packages.debian.org/sid/wormux-servers
Same, this should be dropped, not because the package is not working, but it is of no use.

Best regards,
Christophe

Re: Wormux-dev Digest, Vol 64, Issue 2

Robert Clausecker — 2010-10-06T04:51:05

No answer, but I just want to tell the devs, that this app is quite
popular in Germany, so don't think it's just some spam. (I don't know,
whether you know it too).

Re: Wormux has received the 'Excellent' award from its users

Kurosu — 2010-10-05T12:34:48

While positive, this is borderline spam. The poster isn't registered, and the site sells a product, even if related to games.

At least it's interesting to know this note based on an unknown number of reviewers.

Christophe

----- Michael Ganss <michael.ganss< at >updatestar.com> a écrit :
[snip spam]

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Wormux has received the 'Excellent' award from itsusers

Michael Ganss — 2010-10-04T17:00:42

Hi,

the users of Wormux have given it an average rating of 5 stars
out of 5 stars.

Only actual users who have been verified to have installed
Wormux were able to participate in this vote.

In honor of this vote of confidence by your users, 
we present you with the UpdateStar 'Excellent' award.

The award is shown on the Wormux web page
at http://wormux.updatestar.com/ 
which includes a back link to your web site.

We hereby grant you permission to include the award logo on your website. 
You can find the logo artwork here: 
http://static.updatestar.net/img/rating_5stars.png

You may also use the following testimonial:
"Wormux is an outstanding product 
and was given the 'Excellent' award by its users." 
Michael Ganss, UpdateStar.com

As an UpdateStar award recipient, you are entitled to the following benefits:

- Free UpdateStar Premium Edition license for 10 PCs 
- 40% off on any purchase in our online store for your entire organization
- Free download mirror for your products

[Bug 174363] Re: wormux crashed with SIGSEGV inTTF_SetFontStyle()

Kurosu — 2010-09-29T07:51:21

The PPA address (not maintained by me) is:
https://launchpad.net/~wormux/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=lucid

While I don't know much about ppas, the above page seems to list 0.9.2
as available for Lucid. The Wormux project only supports the latest
release, due to for instance the network changes making older versions
unlikely to be played and so on. So a major difference if using that ppa
(highly recommended) is that any bug will have to be submitted upstream
at https://gna.org/bugs/?group=wormux

Thanks

** Bug watch added: gna.org #group
   http://gna.org/bugs/?group

[Bug 174363] Re: wormux crashed with SIGSEGV inTTF_SetFontStyle()

Kurosu — 2010-09-29T06:19:42

I consider it fixed: 0.8beta2 is *very* old, and I do remember reworking
font support and fixing bugs (not sure I can match this bug report to
any of our bugtracker).

It's a matter of backporting then (0.9.2). I know there's a ppa
somewhere but I have no idea where it's located and what it provides.

Maybe I'll update this with more info about this ppa and any bug report
I find.

[Bug 174363] Re: wormux crashed with SIGSEGV inTTF_SetFontStyle()

Felix Geyer — 2010-09-28T11:52:10

** Changed in: wormux (Ubuntu)
       Status: New => Incomplete

Re: Profiling Wormux

Kurosu — 2010-09-06T17:06:09

Le 06/09/2010 18:29, Matthieu Fertré a écrit :

In fact I think it's trickier. The test rect for body is always the same 
(see their definition in data/body/movements.xml); this can be verified 
when moving: the rectangle doesn't change when walking. However, it's 
probably true for other sprites.

However, this is still not the rectangle used for display. MustBeDrawn 
tests for Rectanglei(GetPosition(), GetSize()) which is yet different 
from GetTestRect value.


And anyway, whatever we think, this has to be checked to make sure we 
are taking our wishes for granted.

At least the MeterDistance computation is correct.
For the bitshifting of >>1 instead of /2, it's a pity that it is needed, 
but we are the only one to know that width/height are in fact unsigned.

Let's apply some of it then.

Christophe

Re: Profiling Wormux

Matthieu Fertré — 2010-09-06T16:29:01

Hi,

Le 05/09/2010 20:54, Mikko Vartiainen a écrit :

When a character changes its animation (see Character::SetMovement or
Character::SetMovementOnce), it calls :

uint l,r,t,b;
body->GetTestRect(l,r,t,b);
SetTestRect(l,r,t,b);

SetTestRect is a method from PhysicalObj.

So, the physic is directly relying on the body's internal state.

*That means that we must be very careful about such optimization because
it may break consistent state in network game.*

For this optimisation to be ok, we must be sure, that when we change the
movement, at least, body internal state is recomputed. And we must be
sure also, that when characters will be displayed on all computers, it
will be synchronized, else, it may create some big problems, when a
character is shooting for instance. (The shoot will be different
depending each frame of the animation is displayed), and yes, you can
shoot with an invisible player (but MustBeDraw returns always true for
the ActiveCharacter).


Regards,

Matt (gentildemon)

Re: Profiling Wormux

Mikko Vartiainen — 2010-09-06T16:19:31

Attached is patch which has all of my optimisations from yesterday and today.

src/character/character.cpp:
This change is not in finished form, but just to test the effect if
FootsInVacuum wasn't calculated two times for every cycle. Gain is
very noticeable. To finish it, FootsInVacuum result should be saved
and served until next frame or tick.

src/character/body.cpp:
Here we don't animate if character is not visible. Gain is very
noticeable, but might cause some problems with animations. Apparently
MustBeDrawn isn't perfectly good to detect if character is visible or
not.

member->RefreshSprite() is limited in same way and gain is also good.
Not sure about side effects.

src/object/physical_obj.h/cpp
Discussed with Kurosu on IRC. MeterDistance is surprisingly costly function.

 src/graphic/sprite.cpp:
This was biggest user of software division after MeterDistance and it
save a few cycles.

Here is a call graph, nodes with >3.0% of time are shown
http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/8206/callgraph9.png
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Re: Profiling Wormux

Mikko Vartiainen — 2010-09-06T12:35:44

I appears that almost half of the division were coming from
MeterDistance used by mines calculating distance to characters. I
tried to change division to multiplication and it cuts divisions to
about half and mines are refreshed also faster.

There are quite a few places where something is divided by
PIXEL_PER_METER. I wonder what happened if it was changed to something
like 32?