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2014 Chattanooga Rail Gaming Challenge Dates

marktderrick — 2013-05-23T12:08:14

I have confirmed next year's dates with the hotel. They are jan 17-19, 2014 at the Residence Inn and Convention Center in Chattanooga. I have a preliminary flyer for download in the files section of the CRGC Yahoo Group.

Mark



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Re: Re: Using a Moderator

Hanno Girke — 2013-05-23T08:47:03

Here:

http://lookout-spiele.de/downloads/


Cheers

Hanno

Am 22.05.2013 um 21:25 schrieb PnSWork-YDxpq3io04c< at >public.gmane.org:




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Re: Using a Moderator

Lemurrush . — 2013-05-22T19:59:48


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Would a simple spreadsheet accomplish the same type of thing (i.e., cut down the playing time?) -- if so, are there some that are better than others?



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Re: Re: Using a Moderator

2013-05-22T19:25:33

Where can I get a copy of Lemmi's moderator?  I thought that it required an emulator for DOS or something like that.

 I'd be willing to experiment and see if I could come up with a suitable tutorial in English.

    -Paul

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On 22/05/2013 10:30, Lemurrush . wrote:

I have tried Lemmi's moderator using a translation (and knowing a
little German). It didn't help. To get a benefit from it, it's not
enough just to know the language, you actually have to be German. Or
maybe Austrian would do.

Nick

BBBCon Southend on Sea UK June 21st-23rd

Richard Clyne — 2013-05-22T19:01:16

BBBCon (http://www.bbbcon.org.uk/) is a new 18XX-friendly board game convention.
 
We have a large quiet room that will easily hold eight standard sized tables, with plenty of space to put tables together if extra playing space is required.
 
The room will be open and available throughout the convention, so you can come and go at any time. A large main room is also available.
 
Meals, drinks and all other facilities are also available at the hotel. You can eat in the game rooms or take a break and go to the bar area.
 
There is also a large free car park and good transport links.
 
Contact us at gamingfun-/3M3OOjuOE7e9xe1eoZjHA< at >public.gmane.org or go to http://www.bbbcon.org.uk/ for lots more information, including online booking.

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Re: Using a Moderator

d_mitton — 2013-05-22T18:38:29

Many years ago, I sat down and tried to learn the moderator.  I got the English translation and setup files, and had it running.  (back when dinosaurs ruled the earth and DOS was not in a box. ;^))
The greatness of the program is that you could customize the game actions against the 18xx game model it implemented.  And there were many configuration files for the games at the time.  The Con was that if the model did not include a feature, you were SOL.  But a good operator knew how to effect the game status in "raw" operations.

The best way to describe it is a customized spread sheet.
The experienced operator has to know how to enter the game transactions.  But there is minimal rules checking, no map or routes, and I'm not sure there is a log.  I must say that I never played a game with it.  Finally ran out of patience.

I much preferred the flow of how Rails has come.  Back in the day, I developed a Visual Basic (v3) 1830 moderator and hosted several email games using it, before I moved on.

The idea of upd

Re: Using a Moderator

John Desmond — 2013-05-22T18:32:45




Salutations, gentlefolk,

Speaking as an old grognard, here ...

Note  that some varieties of Win 7 not only don't do DOS, but botch up 
running DOSBOX *

Tried using Lemmi's program, ten years or so ago.  It works OK, but I 
needed my sanity points for Real Life.

_Rails_ may not be The Future, now, but if you'd demo'd it to the table 
at Origins 78, playing the first 1829 games in North America, we'd have 
been mighty impressed ...  Give it a try.

Yours, John Desmond

* Yours truly got hooked on using PC-Write to get ideas from brain to 
words-on-screen, back in the primordial ooze, and wonders why no one's 
ever put out a  'work-alike' program, in Windows or Linux... End rant mode



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Re: Using a Moderator

PirateLawyer — 2013-05-22T17:31:41

Some of us [*raises hand*] still run a regular Call of Cthulhu campaign ...

-PL





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AW: Re: Using a Moderator

Dr. Martin Brumm — 2013-05-22T14:03:36

Hi 

At one time i uploaded a translated setup to the yahoo group.

Perhaps it is still there, if soneone is willing to test it and finds deficits and maybe can be fixed in a new version. The textfiles are seperated.

Rgds
Martin


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Thanks!

I do have a physical copy of the game (and people would want to play the actual game).

Has no one ever created a translation (in terms of instructions) for Lemmi's moderator? I mean - even if the instruction said, "click on the [german word]" -- that would be fine.

No other real options? (I may cross-post on BGG, but I thought I'd check here first. I'm skeptical there are people on BGG that would know that aren't here, but it makes sens

Re: Re: Using a Moderator

Chris Shaffer — 2013-05-22T13:56:28

I'm imagining an audience for this email post (there surely must be people
this young on the 18xx YahooGroup) who don't know what DOS or "sanity
points" are.


--
Chris

Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.


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Re: Using a Moderator

pentaclebreaker — 2013-05-22T12:43:58

Get Lemmie's moderator running (in DOS-BOX) and give it a try with a simple game of 1830.

I am sure, after a couple of games you will get used to the sometimes tricky handling of the program.

The program really speeds up the whole thing. Three playere games can be done way undere two hours!

Just give it a try.

Ciao

Martin

PS: I have never tried to implement any newer 18XX variant.

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RE: Another grisly 1817 OR

Beard, Bruce D. — 2013-05-22T12:17:02

Certainly, this was not a typical game or I would not have discussed it on this site.  But it was not unique.  I thin it is the 4th I have played in which a long stall occurred on 3Ts followed by an explosion of shorts and starts.  The scenariois at one end of the probability curve but not where it flattens out.

5-share and 10-share companies are vulnerable because of shorts but 2-square are vulnerable because of their loan limit.  I think there are several ways to win in 1817--and even more ways to lose.

-Bruce

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Not dismissive. Curious. My question isn't for the activities in that SR, but for the coherency across the players leading up to that SR. The events in the SR seem an almost neces

RE: Another grisly 1817 OR

Beard, Bruce D. — 2013-05-22T11:27:49

And some people prefer Klingons to Crzy Horse....

-Bruce

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I'll bet Schwarzenegger said it cooler...

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Re: Another grisly 1817 OR

Jeff Behan — 2013-05-22T11:25:56

I'll bet Schwarzenegger said it cooler...

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RE: Another grisly 1817 OR

Beard, Bruce D. — 2013-05-22T11:15:44

I believe that quote is attributed to Tamerlane.

-Bruce

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This sounds eerily familiar....

Mongol General: What is best in life?

Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to
hear the lamentations of their women.

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Re: Re: Using a Moderator

Bjoern Rabenstein — 2013-05-22T10:49:50

Not even that will help (or let's say, even then it will require
heroic effort to learn using the moderator just from the written
docs).

The UI (which is, BTW, even translated into English) is not optimized
for intuitive operation, but for _efficient_ operation. The best way
to learn it is by looking over the shoulders of somebody who already
is good at using it.

Now you might say, somebody should just write a proper Howto document
(preferably in English, and starting from the very beginninge, i.e.
that you can't run the moderator directly under any contemporary OS,
you first have to install and configure dosbox...), and all problems
are solved.

Unfortunately, that's not quite true. Lemmi has disappeared from the
18xx universe quite some time ago, and the moderator is not actively
developed. It's really a great piece of software, especially if you
take into account that it is essentially a 20 year old DOS program,
but the latest game for which full support was implemented is
something like Helmut Ohley's

Re: Another grisly 1817 OR

Jeff Behan — 2013-05-22T10:28:18

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Beard, Bruce D.
<bruce_d_beard-dGIoD64L1/Udnm+yROfE0A< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

This sounds eerily familiar....

Mongol General: What is best in life?

Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to
hear the lamentations of their women.


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Re: Re: Using a Moderator

Nick Wedd — 2013-05-22T09:56:41

I have tried Lemmi's moderator using a translation (and knowing a
little German). It didn't help. To get a benefit from it, it's not
enough just to know the language, you actually have to be German. Or
maybe Austrian would do.

Nick

Re: Using a Moderator

Lemurrush . — 2013-05-22T09:30:06


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Thanks!

I do have a physical copy of the game (and people would want to play the actual game).

Has no one ever created a translation (in terms of instructions) for Lemmi's moderator? I mean - even if the instruction said, "click on the [german word]" -- that would be fine.

No other real options? (I may cross-post on BGG, but I thought I'd check here first. I'm skeptical there are people on BGG that would know that aren't here, but it makes sense to at least check.




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Re: Using a Moderator

John David Galt — 2013-05-22T04:14:09

The best known moderating program for 18xx is Rails, a Java program
you can download for free from rails.sf.net.  Rails is actually more
of a play-by-computer program; you don't need an actual set of the
game you're playing, but you do need at least a copy of the rules.
It currently handles about 8 games.

There's also the program called "Lemmi's moderator", which is strictly
a moderator so you have to have a physical copy of the game.  It can
speed things up a lot once you know how to use it, but it's German and
most of the docs exist only in that language.

Either of these is much better than the old Avalon Hill 1830 computer
game (which is out of print but can probably be found by searching).


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Using a Moderator

Lemurrush . — 2013-05-22T01:53:27

Hello all,

I've never used a computer moderator before for an 18xx, and -- quite frankly -- wouldn't even know where to start.

Are there some that are exceptional compared to others? Is there suitable (comprehensive) instructions? And, does it really cut down the playing time? My group is notoriously slow (an 1830 game could easily go seven hours) and something that would speed things up (besides the poker chips, which we already use) would be a big help.

Also - are some moderators multi-system? For example, if instead of 1830, I wanted to play 18AL or 18FL -- are there ways to use the same moderator? Or, does each game have its own moderator?

Thanks for any help (and direct links) you can provide!

Chris



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