gmane.emacs.eev.devel

Re: Packaging eev ?

Xavier Maillard — 2008-09-09T04:58:01

"Eduardo Ochs" public.gmane.org> writes: I do not have an e-script for that :) A slackbuild is a big shell scripts. I have a slackbuild template in which I just have to replace things here and there. An e-script would not help here IMO.

Re: Packaging eev ?

Eduardo Ochs — 2008-09-07T22:54:36

Hi Xavier, No, nothing - but I would like to include the e-script that produces the Slackware package in the examples... Cheers, Eduardo Ochs http://angg.twu.net/

Packaging eev ?

Xavier Maillard — 2008-09-07T22:21:24

Hi, I am planning to package eev for Slackware GNU/linux. Do you have any recommendation or have-to to follow to build the best eev distribution ? Regards

Re: Dilemna

Xavier Maillard — 2008-09-01T22:17:40

"Eduardo Ochs" public.gmane.org> writes: I will try all your examples and will comment after that. For instance I need to digest all of this ;) Cheers

`M-h M-e': help about eev-mode

Eduardo Ochs — 2008-08-31T18:17:39

Hello list, here's a cute new feature that is only mentioned - briefly - in the changelog. `M-h M-e' runs `find-eev-mode-links', that is this: (defun find-eev-mode-links (&optional arg) "Show the docstring for `eev-mode', or jump to the source code. When ARG is non-nil this function should show a list of eev-mode-related links - but currently it just jumps to the location of its own source code." (interactive "P") (if arg (find-efunction 'find-eev-mode-links) (find-efunctiondescr 'eev-mode))) I'm planning to make `M-?' obsolete at some point. Cheers, Eduardo Ochs eduardoochs-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org http://angg.twu.net/

Re: Dilemna

Eduardo Ochs — 2008-08-31T18:09:54

Hello Xavier, I've been doing experiments myself with generating scripts semi-automatically, but the process is still not as convenient as it should... let me give you some examples. If you run this, (find-eev-update-links) you get an "*Elisp hyperlinks*" buffer with a e-script that is part elisp hyperlinks, part shell stuff (in eepitch blocks), and part a multi-line (progn ...) block. So far, so good, but if you look at the source for `find-eev-update-links', with (find-efunction 'find-eev-update-links) by the way: I got the sexp above by typing `M-h M-f' with the point on "find-eev-update-links", and then doing some cut-and-paste - you will see that definition of `find-eev-update-links' is horrible, as its body is a big block like this: (apply 'find-elinks `( (find-eev-update-links ,dir ,< at >rest) (find-eev-update-links "~/eev-current/" ,< at >rest) (find-eev-update-links ,edir ,< at >rest) ... )) I've abandoned this approach in favor of "templates" - but I just discovered

Dilemna

Xavier Maillard — 2008-08-31T14:08:39

Hi, I am using eev for months now (with limitted success IMO). Why am I so hesitant to use eev, I really do not know. I can feel all the power behind this mode but I am not using it. In fact, whenever I am trying to something shell-related, I am used to do it from a shell buffer. I think it takes some getting used to to automatically think eev. The other reason I see is that the rare case when I am doing something in the shell is when I am installing a piece of software. As I am running slackware, I have to write a slackbuild (in fact it is a simple shell scripts that tries to follow standards to install a program). So using eev for such thing is a no no snce I do not want to clutter with bad installed software. I always try to make a clean install with a slackware package. As a DBA, I would (could) probably want to use it but here again I do not. Why ? Because even if I would use it, I would have to replace strings here and there to do a basic task such as rebuilding my indexes or stuff like that. I fin

Re: Interacting with SQL servers

Eduardo Ochs — 2008-04-12T11:35:55

Hi Xavier, if you are starting some kind of inferior-sql-mode from an sql buffer then there are at least two ways to automate this in a way that other people can understand easily... (1) if you are doing this by typing, say, C-f M-o M-o, then a sexp like this (note that is it in an sql comment) can function as a "hyperlink to the effect of typing C-f M-o M-o": -- (eek "C-f M-o M-o") (2) you can invoke the function directly: ---- (find-efunction 'sql-sqlite) -- (sql-sqlite) I tried to run `sql-sqlite' from a file with some sqlite commands, but I didn't get very far - it even asked for a username and password, which in sqlite's case doesn't make much sense... Can you provide more information about how do to things "in the standard way"?... As I've told you, I have used SQL very very little... 8-\ Also, how do you set the name of the database, of the client program, etc? Do you use a "Local variables:" section in your files? Take a look at this, please... http://angg.twu.net/e/sqlite.e.

manpages from remote machines

Eduardo Ochs — 2008-04-12T11:00:41

Hi Xavier, You can use something like this... (defun find-netbsdman (manpage &rest rest) (let ((buffername (format "*netbsdman: %s*" manpage)) (format-string "ssh edrx< at >caramelo \"sh -c 'PAGER=cat man %s'\"") (command (format format-string manpage))) (apply 'find-eoutput-reuse buffername `(progn (insert (find-sh0 ,command)) (Man-fontify-manpage)) rest))) Note that the name of the remote machine is fixed ("caramelo"), and that you will need to be able to run commands on the remote mahine using ssh without it asking for a password... this is what I use to make ssh copy the adequate authorization keys: # (find-man "1 ssh-copy-id") # (find-man "1 ssh") # (find-fline "~/.ssh/") # (find-sh "locate ssh-copy-id") # (find-fline "/usr/bin/ssh-copy-id") ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub edrx< at >caramelo ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub edrx< at >dekooning And here are some definitions to make it easier to access files

Success !

Xavier Maillard — 2008-04-12T00:00:14

Hi, Just a quick message to say how thankful I am to all of you. I have successfully done my *real* first e-script in the *real* life. The job was way way easier to do with eepitch-shell than if I had to type all again by hand. I successfully migrated an Oracle Dataguard from one machine to another with very few keystrokes !! Thank you. Xavier

Questions

Xavier Maillard — 2008-04-12T00:00:16

Hi, Is there an easy way to the equivalent (find-man "blah") remotely instead of the current machine ? For the e-script needs I mentionned earlier, I typed my commands through eepitch-shell on a HP-UX commands which had different commands than the one I am using here. For example, (find-man "newfs") could not work on my notebook whereas it could have been on the remote host. Any clue ? Xavier

Re: F3 binding conflict in emacs22

Xavier Maillard — 2008-04-12T00:00:17

Hi Nikos, > in emacs22 and higher f3 is by default bound to > "kmacro-start-macro-or-insert-counter", a very convenient key IMHO. > Unfortunately this binding conflicts with eev that bounds that key > to "eeb-default". I use kboard macros all the time and I've grown > accustomed to the f3 key so every time I (re-)install eev I cancel > this binding and bound "eeb-default" to f7 instead. I wonder > whether you could change this eev binding "officially". Lots of people (4, maybe even 5) have already told me that eev's keys collide with standard keys that they find useful... and indeed, eev binds keys that the Elisp manual says that no standard minor mode should bind... 8-( The solely keys that collide are M-1 and friends here (it collides with my WM actually). I will have to either bind these keys elsewhere or change my WM settings. Anyway, that's not a big deal whatever I choose to change. Regards Xavier

Re: Interacting with SQL servers

Xavier Maillard — 2008-04-12T00:00:21

Hi Xavier, > Though I still do not see how to interact with my sql servers via > simple ptys (for eev). can you check if this makes sense, and report back? http://angg.twu.net/e/sqlite.e.html#sqlite3 http://angg.twu.net/e/sqlite.e These make sense but I will probably have to write something agains sql-mode since I do not see the advantage to use eepitch-shell here given the fact sql-mode is a frontend to many SGBD including Oracle, Sybase, mysql, ... This is on my *very* high priority todo list. Xavier

Re: F3 binding conflict in emacs22

Nikos Apostolakis — 2008-04-09T12:52:30

"Eduardo Ochs" public.gmane.org> writes: Oh, I hadn't noticed that. I will do that for now. Thanks for the pointer. Thanks, Nikos

Re: F3 binding conflict in emacs22

Nikos Apostolakis — 2008-04-09T01:16:43

Pretty sure, if we put aside questions about the existential ontology of such abstract entities as keybindings and conflicts between them, of course ;). (find-elifile "kmacro.el.gz" "[f3]") Nikos

Re: F3 binding conflict in emacs22

Xavier Maillard — 2008-04-09T00:00:07

Hello group, in emacs22 and higher f3 is by default bound to "kmacro-start-macro-or-insert-counter", a very convenient key IMHO. Unfortunately this binding conflicts with eev that bounds that key to "eeb-default". I use kboard macros all the time and I've grown accustomed to the f3 key so every time I (re-)install eev I cancel this binding and bound "eeb-default" to f7 instead. I wonder whether you could change this eev binding "officially". I do not have this conflict here. Are you sure it exists ? Xavier

Re: F3 binding conflict in emacs22

Eduardo Ochs — 2008-04-08T22:00:28

Hi Nikos, Lots of people (4, maybe even 5) have already told me that eev's keys collide with standard keys that they find useful... and indeed, eev binds keys that the Elisp manual says that no standard minor mode should bind... 8-( Moving eev's to is a good idea, but what I think that we *really* need is a way to make these keybindings easier to change. Some comments in eev.el suggest a way: (find-eevfile "eev.el" "set up your own keymaps") but people who do that may end up with keymaps that are very different from the other users' keymaps, and communicating with these people via IRC or mail or whatever becomes very tricky... I thought a bit about having two different "eev-mode"s, one using the standard keymap, another using an alternate keymap, but never tried to implement that... Here's an idea for an implementation (untested): ;; See: (find-eevfile "eev.el" "\n(if eev-mode-map") ;; (setq my-eev-mode-map (make-sparse-keymap)) (define-key my-eev-mode-map "\M-e" 'eek-eval-sexp-eol)

F3 binding conflict in emacs22

Nikos Apostolakis — 2008-04-08T16:49:37

Interacting with SQL servers

Eduardo Ochs — 2008-04-06T06:27:00

Hi Xavier, can you check if this makes sense, and report back? http://angg.twu.net/e/sqlite.e.html#sqlite3 http://angg.twu.net/e/sqlite.e Cheers, TIA, Edrx

Re: `ee' with history

Eduardo Ochs — 2008-04-06T06:22:50

Hi Xavier, "print -s" is a zshism... see: (find-node "(zsh)Shell Builtin Commands" "\nprint" "-s") It says: "-s: Place the results in the history list instead of on the standard output." I prefer to keep the old "ee" and Rubikitch's trick in two separate functions: # See: # http://angg.twu.net/.zshrc.html#ee # http://angg.twu.net/.zshrc.html#eeh # http://angg.twu.net/.zshrc.html#hh function ee () { set -v; . $EE$*; set +v; } function eeh () { print -s -f "%s" "$(cat $EE)"; echo "(Added to history:)"; cat $EE; } When I type "eeh" on a zsh prompt the contents of the $EE file are pushed into the history instead of executed - and then by using I can edit them at the shell prompt, and using "hh" I can save the last commands in the history to a temporary file that I can edit in Emacs... I am not planning to make the version with "print -s" standard, but that trick will be mentioned in the info docs. Cheers, Edrx

Re: Difference between eechannel-xterm and eebg-channel-xterm

Eduardo Ochs — 2008-04-06T06:17:21

Hi Xavier, You asked about the difference between `eechannel-xterm' and `eebg-channel-xterm'... They are the same. `eebg-channel-xterm' is an obsolete name, from a time in which very few eev functions started programs running in the background... Now the prefix `eebg-' is deprecated... You found it at "eev-steps.el", wasn't that it? (find-eev "eev-steps.el") http://angg.twu.net/eev-current/eev-steps.el http://angg.twu.net/eev-current/eev-steps.el.html The definitions in that file are obsolete, and they are overridden by the ones in "eev-mini-steps.el"... (find-eev "eev-mini-steps.el") http://angg.twu.net/eev-current/eev-mini-steps.el http://angg.twu.net/eev-current/eev-mini-steps.el.html I have just uploaded a new tarball of eev-current with new versions of "eev-steps.el" and "eev-mini-steps.el", with better comments, and a few new docstrings... can you update your eev-current, take a look, and check if they make (more) sense now? Cheers, Edrx P.S.: I can't update the html versio