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Today starts a Holiday Weekend in the US

Daniel CannCasciato — 2008-07-04T15:00:11

Hi All, most of our particpants in Autocat are in the US, but for those of you who are not I thought I should point out that this is the 4th of July Holiday here, also known as Independence Day. Autocat traffic will, as it's been since ALA, probably be fairly light. http://www.usa.gov/citizens/holidays.shtml This holiday honors the nation's birthday – the signing of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776. It is a day of picnics and patriotic parades, a night of concerts and fireworks. The flying of the American flag is widespread. Daniel ------------- Daniel CannCasciato Head of Cataloging Central Washington University Library 400 E. University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548 dcc-F9IT6VcKA34< at >public.gmane.org *********************************************************************** E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request-JX7+OpRa80SJISurH+wZVQ< at >public.gmane.org Search AUTOCAT archives: http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/autocat.html Selected AUTOCAT commands: http://www.cwu.edu/~dc

Re: Copyright Law

Grant Young — 2008-07-03T23:08:37

I'm based in UK, so I may be wrong, but I believe it's true in the US as it is in the UK that copyright duration is now based on the life of the author rather than publication date (author's life plus 70 years): Grant --On 03 July 2008 14:56 -0500 Michael Klossner public.gmane.org> wrote: *********************************************************************** E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request-JX7+OpRa80SJISurH+wZVQ< at >public.gmane.org Search AUTOCAT archives: http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/autocat.html Selected AUTOCAT commands: http://www.cwu.edu/~dcc/Autocat/options.html By posting messages to AUTOCAT, the author does not cede copyright ***********************************************************************

Re: Copyright Law

Hal Cain — 2008-07-03T23:13:08

And magazines with a cover date "July" have been on the stands for several weeks. (Well, at least stands close to (their) home; Down Here they take weeks to arrive, so they often end up late anyway.) It's already Friday here. Seriously, printed copyright dates are no more than a statement that copyright is claimed (by someone). As with any such claim, the statement may not be correct. The habit of some publishers of giving a later year could be regarded as misleading, but who's going to do anything about that? As far as descriptive cataloguing goes, transcribing what's actually on the piece in hand is important for correct matching of item and record (or citation and record) because all that most users, including most librarians, have to work with is what's printed. Hal Cain Dalton McCaughey Library Parkville, Victoria, Australia hal-ZNuNjEg6yIa7NGdpmJTKYQ< at >public.gmane.org *********************************************************************** E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat

Re: Copyright Law--Friday early

Smith,Gary — 2008-07-03T21:48:23

Charlie Irwin wrote: into "lasting" format - ie written down, printed, recorded, painted etc. The confusion comes between the start of copyright and the registration of the copyright with the relevant authority (LOC in the USA.) << And the date printed in the book may be a reasonable guess at one or the other, but it's not necessarily the same as either. It's a claim, but ultimately it's only a number. Gary L. Smith Software Architect OCLC smithg-1Ndb/wRslfY< at >public.gmane.org *********************************************************************** E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request-JX7+OpRa80SJISurH+wZVQ< at >public.gmane.org Search AUTOCAT archives: http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/autocat.html Selected AUTOCAT commands: http://www.cwu.edu/~dcc/Autocat/options.html By posting messages to AUTOCAT, the author does not cede copyright ***********************************************************************

LCSH changes list 25, June 18, 2008

Bryan Baldus — 2008-07-03T21:29:25

After parsing the LCSH weekly list 25, I found the following changed headings: 650 Dom (Pakistani people) => 650 Dom (South Asian people) 650 Turning => 650 Turning (Lathe work) 650 Turning--Production standards => 650 Turning (Lathe work)--Production standards 650 Turning--Vocational guidance => 650 Turning (Lathe work)--Vocational guidance 650 Turning, Diamond => 650 Diamond turning Thank you for your time, Bryan Baldus Cataloger Quality Books Inc. The Best of America's Independent Presses 1-800-323-4241x402 bryan.baldus-jirfehajzwlKlc0J7/4CmAC/G2K4zDHf< at >public.gmane.org *********************************************************************** E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request-JX7+OpRa80SJISurH+wZVQ< at >public.gmane.org Search AUTOCAT archives: http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/autocat.html Selected AUTOCAT commands: http://www.cwu.edu/~dcc/Autocat/options.html By posting messages to AUTOCAT, the author does not cede copyright **********************************************************

Re: Copyright Law--Friday early

Charlie Irwin — 2008-07-03T21:32:27

As I recall the law, copyright goes into effect when a work is put into "lasting" format - ie written down, printed, recorded, painted etc. The confusion comes between the start of copyright and the registration of the copyright with the relevant authority (LOC in the USA.) Just my recollection.... Charlie Irwin bass-player & unemployed librarian, Austin TX Mark Ehlert wrote: *********************************************************************** E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request-JX7+OpRa80SJISurH+wZVQ< at >public.gmane.org Search AUTOCAT archives: http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/autocat.html Selected AUTOCAT commands: http://www.cwu.edu/~dcc/Autocat/options.html By posting messages to AUTOCAT, the author does not cede copyright ***********************************************************************

Position Opening, Berkeley, California

McKean, Greg — 2008-07-03T21:15:30

Please excuse any duplication/cross-posting: The Berkeley Public Library is looking for a Collection Development/Technical Services Manager: Under the supervision of the Director and/or Deputy Director, the Collection Development/Technical Services Manager directs and coordinates the selection, acquisitions, cataloging and processing of library materials and oversees system-wide library collection management. As a Library Manager the incumbent is a member of the Library Director's Management Team responsible for planning, budgeting, operations and management of a staff of professional, technical and support personnel in the Collection/Technical Services division. In addition to supervisory and managerial responsibilities, the incumbent maintains cooperative vendor relationships. Salary range: $82,140 to $98,988 Full job description and benefits info: http://tinyurl.com/3pwp49 Online application: http://tinyurl.com/5x8ynt Application deadline: 5 pm PST, July 14, 2008 Greg McKean Cataloging Super

edition statements, dates, isbns

Connie Hacker — 2008-07-03T20:27:55

Hi, I am having a difficult time figuring out what to do about edition statements, etc. that do not match what I find on OCLC. I have read through the documentation on when to add a record but I am wondering how other libraries are handling the records internally. Do you edit the edition statement in-house and use the record found on OCLC and add your symbol to OCLC for that record? Does this affect InterLibrary Loan finding the right edition? I am cataloging a book that has a "Book Club ed." statement on it which I know doesn't constitute a new record. However, the record on OCLC has a "1st U.S. ed." statement and a date of 2007 which doesn't match my "Book Club ed." date of 2006. The book is: Lenin's Private War by Lesley Chamberlain and published by St. Martin's Press. In this case the date and the edition do not match but the isbn and other data does match. Do any of my fellow catalogers have a criteria for using or not using a record when most of the record seems to match up with th

Re: Copyright Law--Friday early

Mark Ehlert — 2008-07-03T20:42:22

If the future copyright date is ascribed to the publisher (as I've seen often enough), it seems to me that the author has implied copyright over the material until the date designated on the piece. Could the author get away with reprinting his or her own work with impunity before the later date kicks in? This reply from someone who's woefully ignorant of the nuances of copyright and contract law...

Re: Copyright Law--Friday early

Tom Sanders — 2008-07-03T20:30:52

If it's published now but the copyright does not go into effect until 2009, does that mean others can reprint without paying royalties during the remainder of 2008? [I didn't think so.] Thomas R. Sanders Cataloging Dept. Auburn University Libraries 231 Mell St. Auburn, AL 36849-5606 sandetr-7KF8pGZKO2M3uPMLIKxrzw< at >public.gmane.org *********************************************************************** E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request-JX7+OpRa80SJISurH+wZVQ< at >public.gmane.org Search AUTOCAT archives: http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/autocat.html Selected AUTOCAT commands: http://www.cwu.edu/~dcc/Autocat/options.html By posting messages to AUTOCAT, the author does not cede copyright ***********************************************************************

Re: Copyright Law

Bernstein, Steven (Library — 2008-07-03T20:06:45

If a work has a projected copyright year does that mean that copyright extends until seventy years from that date? If so, it is theoretically possible for a copyright holder to extend their copyright further into the future than the law allows. Unless--of course--a work does not become protected by copyright until the projected year commences. In which case, it is theoretically possible for someone to plagiarize a work with a projected copyright, apply for a copyright using the current year and sue the original author for copyright infringement. Copyright year should be based on the date of application, not on the date the applicant specifies. -----Original Message----- From: AUTOCAT [mailto:AUTOCAT-0lvw86wZMd99WKUUWUgXAA< at >public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of moodydw-yt2hvlVQexWitgT5ZmApCQ< at >public.gmane.org Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 3:46 PM To: AUTOCAT-0lvw86wZMd99WKUUWUgXAA< at >public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [ACAT] Copyright Law ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taylor, Marlyn B." Marilyn, This has come

Re: Copyright Law

Mary Mastraccio — 2008-07-03T20:00:51

It seems to me the publishing world is just following the auto industry. If 2009 cars come out in 2008, then why shouldn't books be the same? Mary L. Mastraccio Cataloging & Authorities Librarian MARCIVE, Inc. San Antonio Texas 78265 1-800-531-7678 marym-tXPWsdbbT6BBDgjK7y7TUQ< at >public.gmane.org *********************************************************************** E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request-JX7+OpRa80SJISurH+wZVQ< at >public.gmane.org Search AUTOCAT archives: http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/autocat.html Selected AUTOCAT commands: http://www.cwu.edu/~dcc/Autocat/options.html By posting messages to AUTOCAT, the author does not cede copyright ***********************************************************************

Re: Copyright Law

Michael Klossner — 2008-07-03T19:56:18

2008? In addition to making the book "look" newer, the "extra" year is an attempt to increase copyright protection by a year -- although copyright is already long enough. The question is, what do you do about it? You have to transcribe "c2009" in the 260. If the case is egregious (more than a couple months) I would add "[i.e. 2008]" to the 206 and put 2008 instead of 2008 in the LC class number and the fixed field date, and maybe add a note giving the true month of publication. Michael Klossner Arkansas State Library mklossne-uTQef16UgAyMQnXeAyjz3w< at >public.gmane.org *********************************************************************** E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request-JX7+OpRa80SJISurH+wZVQ< at >public.gmane.org Search AUTOCAT archives: http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/autocat.html Selected AUTOCAT commands: http://www.cwu.edu/~dcc/Autocat/options.html By posting messages to AUTOCAT, the author does not cede copyright *********************************************************

Re: Copyright Law

2008-07-03T19:46:26

----- Original Message ----- From: "Taylor, Marlyn B." Marilyn, This has come up before on Autocat, and the general consensus seems to be that some publishers want to make it appear that the book's content is still current. LC issued a rule interpretation to accept a copyright date one year in the future. I first saw a c2009 back around February, and I fully expect to see one two years in the future any time now. David Moody Cataloging Librarian University of Detroit Mercy moodydw-sN73sRgVkRiVc3sceRu5cw< at >public.gmane.org Visit the University's re:search portal: http://research.udmercy.edu *********************************************************************** E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request-JX7+OpRa80SJISurH+wZVQ< at >public.gmane.org Search AUTOCAT archives: http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/autocat.html Selected AUTOCAT commands: http://www.cwu.edu/~dcc/Autocat/options.html By posting messages to AUTOCAT, the author does not cede copyright *******************************

Re: Copyright Law

Mike Tribby — 2008-07-03T19:36:42

A book can have any old copyright date a publisher wants to put on it. This question comes up frequently on this list and on small press publisher lists where the interest is in how early one can put next year's copyright date on a book so that it will look "new" longer, thus increasing sales. Usually we just go along with whatever the publisher puts on the book, but I might balk at transcribing the publication/copyright date if it were too far in advance. But what's too far? If a book appears in June or July with a copyright date for the next calendar year, it might seem silly, but ten years from now it won't seem all that monumental of a difference. But two years? Three years? Fortunately we rarely have to deal with the question. At one time we had a publisher that used dates from the French Revolutionary calendar, so for a time I took to dating reports with that calendar. But that probably wouldn't be very helpful in cataloging. As a rule we start seeing the next year recorded in books as either the cop

Re: Starting out with professional development

Ted P Gemberling — 2008-07-03T19:30:56

Rebecca, as Mary said, state or regional associations are less expensive. But in my experience (admittedly somewhat limited), such associations don't do much related to tech services. They usually have tech services sessions, but they're more like "show and tell" sessions ("how we did it good at our library") than ones that wrestle with issues in the field. But then you may decide that resolving issues about technical problems is not that important to you. If you just want to be a good practitioner of cataloging and not someone who helps decide how it should be done, then state and regional associations are fine and way less expensive. I don't mean to say "show and tell" sessions don't do any good. It helps to have libraries share successes they've had. But it just depends on how far you want to get into issues in the field. Ted Gemberling UAB Lister Hill Library (205)934-2461 ________________________________ From: AUTOCAT on behalf of Spila, Mary Sent: Thu 7/3/2008 9:19 AM To: AUTOCAT-0lvw86wZMd99

Copyright Law

Taylor, Marlyn B. — 2008-07-03T18:11:24

I was wondering, how can a book have a < at > date of 2009 when it is only 2008? Marlyn Taylor Catalog Management Specialist Baltimore City Community College 2901 Liberty Heights Avenue Baltimore, Maryland 21215 Office: 410 462-8230 Fax: 410 462-8233 http://www.bccc.edu *********************************************************************** E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request-JX7+OpRa80SJISurH+wZVQ< at >public.gmane.org Search AUTOCAT archives: http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/autocat.html Selected AUTOCAT commands: http://www.cwu.edu/~dcc/Autocat/options.html By posting messages to AUTOCAT, the author does not cede copyright ***********************************************************************

Re: Resolution at ALA

Ted P Gemberling — 2008-07-03T18:58:33

Yay! Thanks for the great work, Lloyd! I think regardless of what a person's political views are, this is an important message to get to Congress. Ted Gemberling UAB Lister Hill Library (205)934-2461 ________________________________ From: AUTOCAT on behalf of Lloyd Chittenden Sent: Wed 7/2/2008 3:15 PM To: AUTOCAT-0lvw86wZMd99WKUUWUgXAA< at >public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [ACAT] Resolution at ALA The full text of the ALA resolution on funding for cataloging is below. Someone asked me what I thought it could do. Well, while there are probably very hard economic times ahead. However, I expect that next year's Congress is likely to raise taxes and have money to spend. I think they could be convinced that a relatively small expenditure here could be of great benefit to many people in their districts who will be likely looking to their local library for help. It is an indirect and convoluted benefit to their constituents, and that is why we need the Washington Office lobbyists to explain it to them. I t

Re: ANSCR M vs. Q for international music

Mike Tribby — 2008-07-03T18:14:20

Kara Steiniger posted: "In the ANSCR book it says to class international popular music in the M area, but I don't see a user looking for this and other international pop / folk music in our pop section. Am I being ethnocentric, or does it make sense to modify our application and class international folk OR pop music under Q, followed by country?" To me it might depend on your patrons and their browsing habit. Is reggae in with pop? How about African music like Fela, King Sunny Ade, and Majek Fashek? If they're in pop, I'd probably put the Sumatran title there as well. Mike Tribby Senior Cataloger Quality Books Inc. The Best of America's Independent Presses mailto:mike.tribby-jirfehajzwlKlc0J7/4CmAC/G2K4zDHf< at >public.gmane.org *********************************************************************** E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request-JX7+OpRa80SJISurH+wZVQ< at >public.gmane.org Search AUTOCAT archives: http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/autocat.html Selected AUTOCAT commands: http://www.cwu.

ANSCR M vs. Q for international music

Kara Steiniger — 2008-07-03T17:31:21

Greetings! I recently began working at a library that uses the ANSCR scheme for music classification. We currently have "Folk and pop sounds of Sumatra" classed in MA, for popular music. We have other international folk CDs classed in Q. In the ANSCR book it says to class international popular music in the M area, but I don't see a user looking for this and other international pop / folk music in our pop section. Am I being ethnocentric, or does it make sense to modify our application and class international folk OR pop music under Q, followed by country? Thanks for your thoughts, --Kara Kara Steiniger Librarian III Information Management Santa Monica Public Library 601 Santa Monica Blvd. Santa Monica, CA 90401 (310)458-8629 kara.steiniger-21H20wxjb+ReoWH0uzbU5w< at >public.gmane.org *********************************************************************** E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request-JX7+OpRa80SJISurH+wZVQ< at >public.gmane.org Search AUTOCAT archives: http://li

Re: Question on future careers in cataloging/metadata

Harden, Jean — 2008-07-03T18:03:26

Alexis - Congratulations on what sounds like a good start and on having the foresight to ask how to make yourself more marketable. From what you describe, it sounds to me as if you are going to be in good shape on the experience front. There is no way you can come out of library school with 2+ years of post-MLS experience; that's a logical impossibility. When you get to the stage of writing application letters, just be sure to say, perhaps in your cover letter, what you learned (what functions you learned, not every detail) in all these jobs. When I have served on search committees, cover letters that linked experience directly to stated job requirements or preferences were very effective (to me, at least). Depending on the particular job, real language needs will vary. For some sorts of jobs, fluency or something approaching it truly is necessary; for most, though, varying degrees of "bibliographic" knowledge of languages will be what you need - can you look at a book, DVD, whatever, in a language other