http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46315 <pre>As Gene suggested, the contents may have been cut and pasted from the another source, and not checked properly. The tables of contents found on publishers' websites very frequently differ from those in the published book. Often chapter headings get "improved", as in the case mentioned. In other cases whole chapters are added or dropped. John Williams Bologna, Italy -- *********************************************************************** AUTOCAT quoting guide: http://www.cwu.edu/~dcc/Autocat/copyright.html E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request-JX7+OpRa80SJISurH+wZVQ&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Search AUTOCAT archives: http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/autocat.html By posting messages to AUTOCAT, the author does not cede copyright *********************************************************************** </pre> John Williams 2012-05-23T08:19:50 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46314 <pre>Does the Library of Congress have a project going to update the name headings for U.S. military units? I can't find any announcements about anything. Our library is wondering about this because we will run into headings where the heading was updated in 2011 or 2012 but then we run into many military unit headings that are not updated. An example is: New heading Old heading United States. $b Marine Corps. $b Marine Regiment, 4th United States. $b Marine Corps. $b Marines, 4th If anyone has any information about this, we would appreciate it. We are concerned because of what looks like inconsistencies in headings in our local catalog. We can start changing these ourselves but sometimes we just wait if we know LC has plans to get to these. Kathleen Kathleen Schweitzberger Head, Metadata and Cataloging Department Miller Nichols Library 310 University of Missouri-Kansas City 5100 Rockhill Road Kansas City, MO 64110 816-235-2227 (</pre> Schweitzberger, Kathleen A. 2012-05-22T20:12:30 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46313 <pre> We all need to be aware of privacy issues, and, in fact, we generally are (e.g. whether to turn circulation records over to the govt.). I didn't see this article posed earlier, so thought I'd drop it into the mix. "The Terrifying Ways Google Is Destroying Your Privacy" / by David Rosen. Here's the URL: http://www.alternet.org/story/155479/the_terrifying_ways_google_is_destroying_your_privacy? Alternet, of course [like most any Web site], has it's own unique way of expressing itself, but you can read through apparent "polemics" by not getting upset and just considering the *possibilities.* The real question is when are people going to start considering the *possible" ways technologies can be *misused* by "Orwellian" people instead of ignoring them and jumping off cliffs? Because there aren't any "Orwellian" people? Consider: which is more important in the long run? Fuel for an academic exercise, maybe? Two quotes from the article: "In 1999, Scott McNealy, the former head of Sun Mic</pre> john g marr 2012-05-22T23:46:08 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46312 <pre>Gene Fieg asked about: &lt;&lt; Book in hand represented by: *35170628&gt;&gt; The "Chinese script" is called Hancha and is Korean. A change from Hancha to Han'gul would be a significant change in Korean, even though the work calls itself a printing. I believe the change from Hancha to Han'gul would call for a new record. Of course the question remains as to when the change occurred, your "printing" or earlier. Wayne Richter Asian Materials Specialist/PCC Liaison The Libraries Western Washington University Bellingham, WA 98225-9103 -- *********************************************************************** AUTOCAT quoting guide: http://www.cwu.edu/~dcc/Autocat/copyright.html E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request-JX7+OpRa80SJISurH+wZVQ&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Search AUTOCAT archives: http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/autocat.html By posting messages to AUTOCAT, the author does not cede copyright *********************************************************************** </pre> Wayne Richter 2012-05-22T23:02:22 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46311 <pre>Hi Gene On 05/23/2012 08:01 AM, Gene Fieg wrote: Not sure where you're looking. Try this one: LC control no.: n 85369448 LCCN permalink: http://lccn.loc.gov/n85369448 HEADING: Scroll of Antiochus 000 01368cz a2200301n 450 001 158260 005 20090718071353.0 008 860310n| acannaabn |b ana 010 __ |a n 85369448 035 __ |a (OCoLC)oca01544837 040 __ |a DLC |b eng |c DLC |d DLC |d OCoLC |d OU 130 _0 |a Scroll of Antiochus 430 _0 |w nna |a Antiochus, Scroll of 430 _0 |a Megilat Anṭyokhus 430 _0 |a Scroll of the Hasmoneans 430 _0 |a Megilat Bet Ḥashmonai 430 _0 |a Megilat Anṭiyokhus 430 _0 |a Megillat Antiochus 430 _0 |a Megilat Bene Ḥashmonai 430 _0 |a Megilat Matityahu 430 _0 |a מגלת מתתיהו 430 _0 |a Matathias 667 __ |a Non-Latin script reference not evaluated 670 __ |a Bible. O.T. Daniel. Hebrew. 1980. Daniyel, 1980 or 1981: |b p. 217 (Megilat Bene Ḥashmonai (Megilat Anṭyokhus)) 670 __ |a Enc. Judaica, 1971 |b (Scroll of Antiochus (Megilat Anṭyokhus [in Hebr.]) or Sc</pre> Carlos Lopez 2012-05-22T22:40:02 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46310 <pre>BS1825 has the heading Maccabees. Scroll of Antiochus. As far as I can tell, the Scroll was written some time after the 4 books of the Maccabees. Why is it put in this classification? </pre> Gene Fieg 2012-05-22T22:01:45 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46309 <pre>This may help http://www.asis.org/Conferences/calendar/ Dee Jones djone4-6F0XKahf66Y3uPMLIKxrzw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org -----Original Message----- From: AUTOCAT [mailto:AUTOCAT-0lvw86wZMd99WKUUWUgXAA&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Amy Nadell Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 4:30 PM To: AUTOCAT-0lvw86wZMd99WKUUWUgXAA&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Subject: [ACAT] Conference in France Does anyone know of a conference in France during the month of July? Thanks in advance! -- *********************************************************************** AUTOCAT quoting guide: http://www.cwu.edu/~dcc/Autocat/copyright.html E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request-JX7+OpRa80SJISurH+wZVQ&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Search AUTOCAT archives: http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/autocat.html By posting messages to AUTOCAT, the author does not cede copyright *********************************************************************** -- *********************************************************************** AUTOCAT quoting guide: http://www.c</pre> Jones, Dee 2012-05-22T21:37:55 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46308 <pre>Does anyone know of a conference in France during the month of July? Thanks in advance! -- *********************************************************************** AUTOCAT quoting guide: http://www.cwu.edu/~dcc/Autocat/copyright.html E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request-JX7+OpRa80SJISurH+wZVQ&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Search AUTOCAT archives: http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/autocat.html By posting messages to AUTOCAT, the author does not cede copyright *********************************************************************** </pre> Amy Nadell 2012-05-22T21:30:05 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46307 <pre>Book in hand represented by: *35170628 The record has the 245 in Chinese script (it is not a Chinese book), written by In-su Kim. That record represents itself as published in 1994 (1995 printing) The book I have is the 4th printing, 2005. And the title and the area of responsibility are in Korean only. So may I use the record above and simply edit for local use. Or should I create an original, since if I attach my edited record the main record in OCLC, people might think we have the title Chinese script. </pre> Gene Fieg 2012-05-22T21:10:40 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46306 <pre>Dear Brian et al: Regarding your question about teaching subject headings (e.g. Sears)... We use Sears at Dominican as a sub-set of LCSH. The concepts are very similar although, understandably, LCSH is much more extensive. Still, teaching students the basics from a single volume beats having them attempt to use a multi-volume set like LCSH. As you may know, Ebsco purchased the Wilson Company not long ago and with it, Sears. With 19th (I believe) edition of Sears, Wilson had finally come up with an online version. While there were a number of features that left something to be desired, it was useable. And the Introduction and Principles gave people a good understanding of what subject headings were all about. Ebsco now has an online version of Sears but it is unuseable for my money. I find it extremely difficult to search. Finding the standard subject heading structure (BT, NT, RT, See also, etc.) seems like the luck of the draw -- assuming you can find it at all. And the Introduction and Principl</pre> Bloss, Marjorie 2012-05-22T20:50:33 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46305 <pre>Brian Rountree asked: .headings? Because of CIP and DLC records, not even our DDC clients use Sears. Students should probably know what it is, but since subject heading assignment is about the same with either Sears or LCSH, I would just have them practice LCSH. I suspect they would be more likely to encounter MeSH than Sears, which differs enough from LCSH to need an introduction. Libraries I know which use Sears (mainly school libraries) have no professional staff. It is used a bit overseas for English collections, and has been translated in some countries. __ __ J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (mac-VCPFylJv6eD3fQ9qLvQP4Q&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org) {__ | / Special Libraries Cataloguing HTTP://www.slc.bc.ca/ ___} |__ \__________________________________________________________ -- *********************************************************************** AUTOCAT quoting guide: http://www.cwu.edu/~dcc/Autocat/copyright.html E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request-JX7+OpRa80SJISurH+</pre> J. McRee Elrod 2012-05-22T20:24:09 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46304 <pre>It has been a while since I ran a test but I'm sure it was over half are the same as LCSH. I have noticed a trend over the years to conform Sears to LCSH. The main benefit to school libraries is that the list is not so long and are terms used by students (more general, not so technical). Mary L. Mastraccio ALA-ALCTS-CaMMS Chair Cataloging &amp; Authorities Manager MARCIVE, Inc. San Antonio, TX 78265 1-800-531-7678 -----Original Message----- From: mike tribby [mailto:tribby-lT3RbGusWresTnJN9+BGXg&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:49 PM To: 'AUTOCAT'; Mary Mastraccio Subject: RE: [ACAT] Query about Sears Mary; Do you have a sense of approximately what percentage of the Sears headings are identical to the LCSH? Mike Tribby Senior Cataloger Quality Books Inc. ********************************************************** -- *********************************************************************** AUTOCAT quoting guide: http://www.cwu.edu/~dcc/Autocat/copyright.html E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: </pre> Mary Mastraccio 2012-05-22T20:09:05 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46303 <pre>It is still used mostly in schools in the U.S.; and overseas in foreign language libraries with small English collections, particularly India. Let me know if you have further questions. Sara On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Brian Rountree &lt;brountree-+myyG7D7cs8&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; wrote: -- *********************************************************************** AUTOCAT quoting guide: http://www.cwu.edu/~dcc/Autocat/copyright.html E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request-JX7+OpRa80SJISurH+wZVQ&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Search AUTOCAT archives: http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/autocat.html By posting messages to AUTOCAT, the author does not cede copyright *********************************************************************** </pre> Sara Rofofsky Marcus 2012-05-22T19:33:56 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46302 <pre> Guess what? You could have looked them up in Wikipedia before posting. The problem lies not in specific meanings, but in that people (e.g reference librarians and voters) have to be pushed to familiarize themselves with the important ones. PS: "Creepy criminal nut case"? That is the biggest, most naive, overpersonalized, "glib" mistake we all make, about the most important issue in neurophysiology and human history. "Intraspecific predator" having "reduced microstructural integrity ... in the white matter connecting the amygdala and orbitofrontal cortex" comes closer. ! Cheers! jgm John G. Marr Cataloger CDS, UL Univ. of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM 87131 jmarr-iJIHYJSk46c&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org jmarr-VNVjZQShnK1eoWH0uzbU5w&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org **There are only 2 kinds of thinking: "out of the box" and "outside the box." Opinions belong exclusively to the individuals expressing them, but sharing is permitted. -- *****************************************************************</pre> john g marr 2012-05-22T19:55:57 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46301 <pre>Brian, In the River East Transcona School Division we use Library of Congress Subject Headings and Dewy Decimal Classification numbers. We haven't used Sears for many, many years. Judith de vries-Porteous Library Technician ERC Library and Centralized Cataloguing RETSD -----Original Message----- From: AUTOCAT [mailto:AUTOCAT-0lvw86wZMd99WKUUWUgXAA&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rountree Sent: May-21-12 11:18 PM To: AUTOCAT-0lvw86wZMd99WKUUWUgXAA&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Subject: [ACAT] Query about Sears Does anyone know of any libraries using the Sears List of Subject headings? I am going to start teaching a course about it in September and I KNOW at least one student is going to ask me that very question. Many thanks. Brian Rountree, Instructor Library + Information technology Program Red River College Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada -- *********************************************************************** AUTOCAT quoting guide: http://www.cwu.edu/~dcc/Autocat/copyright.html E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: </pre> Judith De Vries-Porteous 2012-05-22T19:45:25 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46300 <pre>Mary; Do you have a sense of approximately what percentage of the Sears headings are identical to the LCSH? Mike Tribby Senior Cataloger Quality Books Inc. ********************************************************** -- *********************************************************************** AUTOCAT quoting guide: http://www.cwu.edu/~dcc/Autocat/copyright.html E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request-JX7+OpRa80SJISurH+wZVQ&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Search AUTOCAT archives: http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/autocat.html By posting messages to AUTOCAT, the author does not cede copyright *********************************************************************** </pre> mike tribby 2012-05-22T19:48:30 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46299 <pre>Brian Rountree asked: Does anyone know of any libraries using the Sears List of Subject headings? Brian, When I worked in a public library we actually purchased copies to have on hand to help patrons and staff find materials when the catalog computers were down (power outages, internet down, software upgrades, etc.). The Sears List of Subject headings includes Dewey classification numbers with the subject terms so it helped point people in the right direction. We used LCSH for our subject headings but since we used DDC, having the Sears List with the DDC was very helpful. We have a number of customers that use Sears List of Subject headings. Some public libraries use it but in general I think you will find that it is school libraries that are the most common users. Mary L. Mastraccio ALA-ALCTS-CaMMS Chair Cataloging &amp; Authorities Manager MARCIVE, Inc. San Antonio, TX 78265 1-800-531-7678 -- *********************************************************************** AUTOCAT quoting guide: http://www.cwu.ed</pre> Mary Mastraccio 2012-05-22T19:40:07 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46298 <pre> Thanks Daniel, but I just mentioned that as a response to your implied assumption that any "English speaker" would be "familiar with the names of God and how scholars use them." At least Wikipedia and the LCSAF are, apparently. This whole thread relates to the philosophy of thought: librarians in particular (if not everyone) should be taught to think in terms of *possibilities* (e.g. the uninformed patron) rather than assumptions. Assumptions, literally, can kill. As for your comment "I also don't understand why you would bother making added entries", "Yhwh" already is in the LCSAF as an x-ref, so why not its variants (e.g. Yhvh and Jhvh)? Cheers! jgm John G. Marr Cataloger CDS, UL Univ. of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM 87131 jmarr-iJIHYJSk46c&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org jmarr-VNVjZQShnK1eoWH0uzbU5w&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org **There are only 2 kinds of thinking: "out of the box" and "outside the box." Opinions belong exclusively to the individuals expressing them, but sharing is permitted</pre> john g marr 2012-05-22T19:40:34 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46297 <pre>Does anyone know of any libraries using the Sears List of Subject headings? I am going to start teaching a course about it in September and I KNOW at least one student is going to ask me that very question. Many thanks. Brian Rountree, Instructor Library + Information technology Program Red River College Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada -- *********************************************************************** AUTOCAT quoting guide: http://www.cwu.edu/~dcc/Autocat/copyright.html E-mail AUTOCAT listowners: autocat-request-JX7+OpRa80SJISurH+wZVQ&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Search AUTOCAT archives: http://listserv.syr.edu/archives/autocat.html By posting messages to AUTOCAT, the author does not cede copyright *********************************************************************** </pre> Brian Rountree 2012-05-22T04:17:48 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46296 <pre>The record in question is OCLC # 671700526 and is a PCC record. We have a copy of the hardback with an accompanying CD; the CD has the same ISBN as the book. HBK has a c2012 and a 'version date: 20111005' statement; CD has a c2012. The CRC Press website and the book's back cover have accompanying CD statements. 1. Can another library confirm that they have the item with the CD? 2. Can a PCC library that has the item + CD update the record? Thanks! Item info: Merkow, Mark S. Secure and resilient software: requirements, test cases, and testing methods /Mark S. Merkow, Lakshmikanth Raghavan. Boca Raton, FL : CRC Press, c2012. xx, 258 p. :ill. ; 24 cm. &lt; http://www.crcpress.com/product/isbn/9781439866214&gt; Ana M. Kurland Cataloger Valencia College West Orlando, FL &lt;akurland-myLMeJJdUO65dzExRx9p65Vzexx5G7lz&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&lt;mailto:akurland-myLMeJJdUO65dzExRx9p65Vzexx5G7lz&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt;&gt; 407-582-1221 -- *********************************************************************** AUTOCAT qu</pre> Ana Kurland 2012-05-22T15:55:44 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.autocat/46295 <pre>Proposal for Revision of the Belarusian Romanization Table The Policy and Standards Division of the Library of Congress has received a revision proposal for the Belarusian ALA-LC romanization table from the ACRL Slavic and East European Section Committee on Automated Bibliographic Control. The proposal aims to bring the Belarusian ALA-LC romanization table in accordance with the modern standard Belarusian language, and also to support an expansion of the table by the inclusion of letters that are considered obsolete but which nonetheless occur in older Belarusian publications. The revision proposal&lt;http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/roman_belarusian_proposal_120517.pdf&gt; &lt; http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/roman_belarusian_proposal_120517.pdf &gt; [PDF, 117 KB] highlights all additions and changes. A separate document&lt;http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/roman_belarusian_proposal_explanation.pdf&gt; &lt; http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/roman_belarusian_proposal_explanation.pdf &gt; [PDF, 280 KB] enumerates changes in the revision </pre> Johnson, Bruce 2012-05-22T19:15:27 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.education.libraries.autocat