gmane.education.classics

Fun with the meanings of place names

June Samaras — 2013-06-19T22:29:31

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2013/06/literal_meanings_of_places_in_the_u_s_map.html

Book available for review

Thomas Talboy — 2013-06-18T18:04:53

*Digressus*, the Online Journal for the Classical World has received the
following for review.


   - Faith Wallis, *Bede: Commentary on Revelation* (2013)

Though the time frame is beyond our typical Classical World, we are pleased
to offer this late antiquity selection for review.
Interested persons should email info< at >digressus.org and include a statement
of their qualifications to review.  Advanced postgraduate students are
welcome to review assuming a supervisor or established scholar will vet
their review.*

**Digressus *is a fully refereed online journal. For information on
submitting an article or review, please visit www.digressus.org.

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Editor
*Digressus*

Re: OT: Elsevier

June Samaras — 2013-06-17T23:57:21

Starting with

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier

which has links to some interesting articles

and on the "dark side"

http://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2012/10/17/elsevier-strangling-libraries-worldwide/

June S

On 17 June 2013 19:49, sbudin <sbudin< at >camden.rutgers.edu> wrote:

OT: Elsevier

sbudin — 2013-06-17T23:49:25

    Greetings, All!

    Other than the profit/non-profit debate that sometimes rages here, 
does anyone on the list know anything about the Elsevier company itself? 
Do they generally have a good/bad reputation, good/bad corporate ethics 
or culture?  A friend of mine is asking, and these are the questions 
that I cannot answer myself.

    Many thanks!
    Stephanie Budin

Re: Function of taxation in Athens

Steven Schuster — 2013-06-17T14:49:05


I must have missed that part.

Steven Schuster

Re: Function of taxation in Athens

DANIEL P. TOMPKINS — 2013-06-17T14:07:59

 The author appears to be real, and really to work for Human Rights
Watch<http://www.hrw.org/bios/john-sifton>-- a group  that does
wonderful work, I should add.

There are lots of ways to read this, not *all* negative about USGov.
 Whatever,  it *is* hilarious.

Thx,

Dan



On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Steven Schuster <
realityschuster< at >comcast.net> wrote:

Re: Function of taxation in Athens

Steven Schuster — 2013-06-17T13:58:52

I wish I knew whether this is reporting or satire.   If anyone knows, I'd appreciate being told.  Either way, it is brilliant!

Steven Schuster

Re: Function of taxation in Athens

DANIEL P. TOMPKINS — 2013-06-17T12:15:39

Yes, thanks.  And it could be an eye-opener for undergraduates.  The
opinions expressed may sound unusual to some, but they're actually quite
widespread.  And, as the reference to Athens inadvertently indicates, they
have quite a history.

Just for kicks, here's <http://warscapes.com/literature/cryptogams-nsa> a
new item about Joyce, Hopkins, and the limits of practical jokes in an era
concerned about national security.

Best,

Dan


On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Barry <nebarry< at >verizon.net> wrote:

Re: Function of taxation in Athens

Barry — 2013-06-17T11:55:20

It appears already to have done so... :)

Re: Function of taxation in Athens

DANIEL P. TOMPKINS — 2013-06-17T11:51:51

And that doesn't spur discussion?


On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Mark Davidson <markfdavidson< at >gmail.com>wrote:

Re: Function of taxation in Athens

Mark Davidson — 2013-06-17T11:35:06

spur

It could "not spur discussion" because it's not a serious article. That
whole site seems to have the sole purpose of providing some kind of
intellectual fig leaf to cover up a specific ideology and make it look more
valid. It's a propaganda site, not a site for serious debate. I wonder who
is financing it - probably the Koch brothers or someone like that.

Mark Davidson

Re: Function of taxation in Athens

Patrick T. Rourke — 2013-06-17T11:21:07

Well, the miscategorization of taxation as "theft" among the privileged is probably as old as agriculture itself. 


____________
P. T. Rourke

On Jun 17, 2013, at 6:53 AM, "DANIEL P. TOMPKINS" <pericles< at >TEMPLE.EDU> wrote:

Function of taxation in Athens

DANIEL P. TOMPKINS — 2013-06-17T10:53:07

To Classicists:

A friend sent me this a just-out essay in *American Thinker, *on the
sophists and contemporary America.  It's hard to see how it could not spur
discussion:
Modern Sophists, Ancient
Trade<http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/06/modern_sophists_ancient_trade.html>
*By* *William J. Meisler*<http://www.americanthinker.com/william_j_meisler/>

I got hung up on the author's claim, after quoting a big chunk of
Thucydides and accusing the sophists of "shamelessly exploiting the Greek
language," that in America today:

stealing from one person and giving to another is justified as public
welfare or redistribution of income


One could talk about this claim at length.  My suggestion is simply that it
 could serve as a nice topic for undergraduate papers.

Best,

Dan Tompkins

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A.G.Keen — 2013-06-17T10:15:35

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Re: Fwd: NEO NEOCLASSIC DESIGN IN WASHINGTON

Owen Cramer — 2013-06-16T13:38:52

I know, I know--but I was thinking back to Henry Clay and Daniel Webster, and, last century, Arthur Vandenberg and even Lyndon B. Johnson. I may be too generous with the honors. 
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On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 01:13:38 +0000
Owen Cramer <OCramer< at >COLORADOCOLLEGE.EDU> wrote:

Perhaps that could be said of the Roman Senate, though
I have my doubts, but when exactly was the 'honorable past'
of ours?

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Re: Fwd: NEO NEOCLASSIC DESIGN IN WASHINGTON

Scot Mcphee — 2013-06-16T02:35:22


Not Satire, but what about Ovid Tristia 3.1, especially 33-46:

inde petens dextram ‘porta’ est ait ‘ista Palati, 
hic Stator, hoc primum condita Roma loco est.’ 
singula dum miror, video fulgentibus armis 
conspicuos postes tectaque digna deo. 
‘et Iovis haec’ dixi ‘ domus est?’ quod ut esse putarem, 
augurium monti querna corona dabat, 
cuius ut accepi dominum, ‘non fallimur,’ inquam, 
et magni verum est hanc Iovis esse domum, 
cur tamen opposita velatur ianua lauro, 
cingit et augustas arbor opaca comas? 
num quia perpetuos meruit domus ista triumphos, 
an quia Leucadio semper amata deo est? 
ipsane quod festa est, an quod facit omnia festa? 
quam tribuit terris, pacis an ista nota est? 
utque viret semper laurus nec fronde caduca 
Carpitur, aeternum sic habet illa decus? 

(the translation below is by A.S. Kline http://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/OvidTristiaBkThree.htm)

Then, turning right, here’s the gate to the Palatine,
here’s Jupiter Stator, Rome was first found

Re: Fwd: NEO NEOCLASSIC DESIGN IN WASHINGTON

Michael Smith — 2013-06-16T02:25:59

On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 01:13:38 +0000
Owen Cramer <OCramer< at >COLORADOCOLLEGE.EDU> wrote:


Perhaps that could be said of the Roman Senate, though 
I have my doubts, but when exactly was the 'honorable past'
of ours?

Re: Fwd: NEO NEOCLASSIC DESIGN IN WASHINGTON

Owen Cramer — 2013-06-16T01:31:20

Mocked the included art: the Iliad and gladiatorial games of Laenas, the "CAVE CANEM" image. Equivalent here the carved English fireplace mantels, the Maryland bucolic scenes. 
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I was thinking of that. Petronius sent up Trimalchio's catering and
his tomb but, if I remember rightly, didn't mock the building. Horace
praised his own modest style of living, but left Maecenas alone, not
wanting to offend his patron. Are there any classical satires on
magnates' monstrous palaces?

Alexander Pope had no such scruples, as we can see in the fourth of
his Epistles to Several Persons, the poem that includes the famous
lines

At Timon's villa let us pass a day,
Where all cry out, 'What sums are thrown away!'

But even Pope admitted tha

Re: Fwd: NEO NEOCLASSIC DESIGN IN WASHINGTON

Ralph Hancock — 2013-06-16T01:17:29

I was thinking of that. Petronius sent up Trimalchio's catering and
his tomb but, if I remember rightly, didn't mock the building. Horace
praised his own modest style of living, but left Maecenas alone, not
wanting to offend his patron. Are there any classical satires on
magnates' monstrous palaces?

Alexander Pope had no such scruples, as we can see in the fourth of
his Epistles to Several Persons, the poem that includes the famous
lines

At Timon's villa let us pass a day,
Where all cry out, 'What sums are thrown away!'

But even Pope admitted that the vast work brought benefits:

Yet hence the poor are cloth'd, the hungry fed;
Health to himself, and to his infants bread
The lab'rer bears: What his* hard heart denies,
His charitable vanity supplies.
-----
* i.e the rich man's heart.

RH

Re: Fwd: NEO NEOCLASSIC DESIGN IN WASHINGTON

Owen Cramer — 2013-06-16T01:13:38

Depends on your notion of "fun." Neronian/Thatcher-Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Obama-Austerity era parallels, with ill-gotten, state-supported wealth dominant, a senate with honorable past now prone to toadying, and a general sense of current, limited well-being with no foundation, not too over-the-top. Petronius, in one reading was really an earnest moralist, pleading that "vivos meminerimus" "we need to remember the living," in a culture of dead forms.  
Owen Cramer
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Do you think Petronius might have had fun with it ?

June S

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Re: Fwd: NEO NEOCLASSIC DESIGN IN WASHINGTON

June Samaras — 2013-06-16T00:59:23

Do you think Petronius might have had fun with it ?

June S

2013/6/15 Ralph Hancock <ralph.hancock< at >gmail.com>: