gmane.culture.stone

joints in stone

s yettaw — 2013-05-20T21:12:39

have you considered rubber silicone?
 I find in the colds of Canada it bods to stone way better than akemi's as the rubber allows for winter expansions and contraction.  Every other stone bonding agent I tried failed or peeled away with in 5 years from the cold contractions of -30-40C The rubber silicone will also let go easier when it comes to lifting it out.

Re: tenon joints in stone

Michael Shepherd — 2013-05-20T19:03:39

Thanks for the replies it has given me a great deal of insight, part of the
issue that complicates things is that the cross has to be somewhat
removable. (I plan to take the cross with me when I move.  I have an adobe
PDF of the concept however it's plotting a little strange. I will email you
each individually.
Thanks again

Re: African Wonderstone (pyrophyllite)

2013-05-20T18:23:35

Try the complete sculptor in NYC. That is considered a dirty stone. Myles at 2sculpt does not carry it. 

Robin Antar
Realism in Stone Inc.
Www.rantar.com

On May 20, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Gustavo Bonevardi <gustavobonevardi< at >gmail.com> wrote:

Re: African Wonderstone (pyrophyllite)

2013-05-20T17:30:11

Hi Gustavo,

Try Randy at Neolithic stone. He has several colours of Wonderstone
listed on his site, not exactly what you want but close. He often has
colours that are not posted on the site. Neolithic is based in Vancouver
Canada, he ships into the states and has very competitive pricing.

No hyper link(my rich text doesn't jive with the list server) but copy
paste the following:

http://www.neolithicstone.com/

Hope that helps,

David Perrett

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Date: Mon, May 20, 2013 10:31 am
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*Looking for black African Wonderstone (pyrophyllite) for sculptures..*
*25 to 100 lbs irregular pieces....consistant dark grey or black..*
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Any leads?
thanks!*


 
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African Wonderstone (pyrophyllite)

Gustavo Bonevardi — 2013-05-20T15:31:35

*Looking for black African Wonderstone (pyrophyllite) for sculptures..*
*25 to 100 lbs irregular pieces....consistant dark grey or black..*
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Any leads?
thanks!*

Re: old and in the way...

Denise M Schanz — 2013-05-16T18:24:15

Or, how about giving new meaning to recycling, re-purposing and up-cycling (in terms of ideas/forms and material)

GSA
Wisconsin

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Subject: [stone] Re: old and in the way...

Think of the old, unwanted, outdated, works as rough in an odd form. 
Surely there must be some new form trapped inside that old work, 
waiting to be freed from the stone and your past.

Kreigh




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Re: old and in the way...

2013-05-16T03:05:21

Hi Posey, it strikes me as being wasteful, and I can turn anything into how
I feel now, they are usually so unfinished.  
 

 
Jennifer Cull
PO Box 504
Penn Valley, Ca 95946
(530) 913-7626
jennifercull-stonesculpture.com
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From: Posey Nelson
Date: 5/15/2013 1:36:58 PM
To: stone-uGLqWuYN4qMgsBAKwltoeQ< at >public.gmane.org
Subject: [stone] old and in the way...
 
Thanks for your opinion, Jennifer!  I kind of agree, and will try to focus
on rehabbing these things this summer...don't you remember the group talking
about sledgehammering those old big things that you don't feel reflect your
current work, too?  Probably a good idea, but whether you and I are hoarders
or just sentimental, it's difficult to do that.
 
 
 
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Re: old and in the way...

Kreigh Tomaszewski — 2013-05-16T01:28:56

Think of the old, unwanted, outdated, works as rough in an odd form. 
Surely there must be some new form trapped inside that old work, 
waiting to be freed from the stone and your past.

Kreigh




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old and in the way...

Posey Nelson — 2013-05-15T20:36:37

Thanks for your opinion, Jennifer!  I kind of agree, and will try to focus on rehabbing these things this summer...don't you remember the group talking about sledgehammering those old big things that you don't feel reflect your current work, too?  Probably a good idea, but whether you and I are hoarders or just sentimental, it's difficult to do that.

 

posey nelson 
marblecarver81224-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org
www.touchingstonestudio.com

Re: Old, half-finished projects

Jim Paget — 2013-05-15T00:00:39

One year at the Camp Brotherhood Symposium, we discussed (over significant
wine) the idea of trading pieces on which we felt we had hit a wall, i.e., I
trade my unfinished piece for another artist's unfinished piece.  I think
that the idea has some merit, particularly in a symposium setting.

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From: Oscar Bearinger [mailto:oscarbear-naS0PBQ5js6NU5GxBTb67Q< at >public.gmane.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 4:14 PM
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Subject: [stone] Re: Old, half-finished projects

hey Bill
coming back from heart surgery, old, half-finished jobs clearly start with
the body, but soon encompass much else including the half-finished, the
dreams, etc etc.  so your question for me is something of a  ironic joke !!!

I like Martin's suggestion of giving things a voice;  yes, a well used
therapy trick, but indeed also what poetry itself is all about.

"Take them to the new moon and see where they lead."   Well said, Don.  I 
especially like your plethora approach,

Re: Old, half-finished projects

Oscar Bearinger — 2013-05-14T23:14:10

hey Bill
coming back from heart surgery, old, half-finished jobs clearly start with 
the body, but soon encompass much else including the half-finished, the 
dreams, etc etc.  so your question for me is something of a  ironic joke !!!

I like Martin's suggestion of giving things a voice;  yes, a well used 
therapy trick, but indeed also what poetry itself is all about.

"Take them to the new moon and see where they lead."   Well said, Don.  I 
especially like your plethora approach, more and more, and inevitable things 
pop out and take off.  Taking off even straight out of a 30+ years database 
:o)

But you're right, Bill, usually we ask questions because we know the answer 
and need a little affirmation.  Follow your heart, listen to the small voice 
that wants to do this or that.  You know where you are going.

Oscar


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Re: Old unfinished pieces

2013-05-14T23:11:56

I really really do not think they should be destroyed! 
 
 
 
 
Jennifer Cull
PO Box 504
Penn Valley, Ca 95946
(530) 913-7626
jennifercull-stonesculpture.com
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Subject: [stone] Old unfinished pieces
 
I don't have such a big problem with unfinished pieces, but my problem is
more old pieces that had their glory...but have suffered some damage (like
when they are taken down from a pedestal after a year-long outdoor show, or
the base has come partially unscrewed,etc.) or they just look like they
could use some rehab. ..  These are usually bigger than tabletop & very
difficult to maneuver..  They also beg me to do something for them but new
creations are far more enticing.  I know the group talked about
sledgehammering these behemoths, but I haven't been able to do that because
I do think they could be tuned up a little & then look nice again

Old unfinished pieces

2013-05-14T17:12:31

I don't have such a big problem with unfinished pieces, but my problem is more old pieces that had their glory...but have suffered some damage (like when they are taken down from a pedestal after a year-long outdoor show, or the base has come partially unscrewed,etc.) or they just look like they could use some rehab. ..  These are usually bigger than tabletop & very difficult to maneuver..  They also beg me to do something for them but new creations are far more enticing.  I know the group talked about sledgehammering these behemoths, but I haven't been able to do that because I do think they could be tuned up a little & then look nice again + I guess I am attached.  I have a big limestone bear fetish & a largish marble lotus flower that used to be lit with LED lights, and a few others...is it still the consensus that we should destroy these old pieces ?  I always think I could at least give them away after tuning them up ...

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Re: Old, half-finished projects

weissinger — 2013-05-14T14:00:32

Thank you all for you advice.  I'm interested that none of you gave the
answer which I fear is the right one -- for me, but which I avoid, hoping
for an answer with an easier path.  Years ago I had an unfinished sculpture
of three salmon swirling around each other.  I couldn't see it in my head
and ultimately gave up on it.  Two or three years later, a friend liked my
work and wanted to see my studio.  I pulled out this old half-finished
piece, and told him that perhaps I could finish it for him. I did finish,
after realizing it was two salmon swirling around, not three.  It turned
into my best piece, and one I'm sorry I sold.  Of course, other pieces are
unfinished for other reasons, but still, I have the sense that, were I to
really focus on each piece and brush off that sense of "I can't do it"/"I'm
not good enough" which some of us struggle with [develop a pair a 'square
balls", says MJ Anderson, a fine sculptor and a woman those of you from the
Northwest US or Carrara, Italy likely know], then at least

Re: Old, half-finished projects

Nigel Ratcliffe-Springall — 2013-05-14T05:49:02

It's funny how unfinished stone work looks at us more accusingly than work in other materials. Well, with me anyway. I do actually deliberately keep a batch of unfinished maquettes in wax and cracking-up clay on shelves in my studio - pieces that didn't get resolved but which have something interesting about them that might inspire me later to pick up and develop again. Having them all gathered in one place seems to give them a purpose for being around. However, as I say, that's my modelled work - my unfinished marble pieces, on the other hand, are just as disgruntled as the ones in  your studio, Bill.  .  All the best. Nigel.

Re: tenon joints in stone

Kreigh Tomaszewski — 2013-05-14T03:44:21

You used to be able to buy lead inserts to pound into holes drilled in 
masonry (or drywall) so that you could attach stuff with screws. Today 
it is all plastic (but does not hold nearly as well).

I still have a couple feet of old lead pipe that I cut slivers off of 
to fill holes so that I can connect things with screws or nails.

Lead foil used to be used to seal wine bottles, and was readily 
available. Lead foil was great to wrap around stone joints to make a 
tight seal; there was no need to pour hot lead (as was used in plumbing 
joints in cast iron pipes).

Kreigh



On Monday, May 13, 2013, at 22:43 America/Detroit, George Graham wrote:

Re: tenon joints in stone

George Graham — 2013-05-14T02:43:15

I don't think you are off target. Lead was used a lot to seal up joints between stones. You can still see it in the joints of old monuments. It just turns black with age. Lead was also used to fill up letters on stones . It was beaten in and the excess cut off. I was surprised to see a lot of it in an old section of a cemetery in Bendigo AU. Surprisingly I saw a lot of it separating from the stone. Maybe from years of major heating and cooling. It sure as hell wasn't from freezing and thawing!
 > This might be off-target, but I recall reading somewhere that traditionally lead was used to form tight but slightly flexible joints. This might not work with the kind of joints you have in mind: it might not be possible to pour the molten lead in easily. But perhaps worth a thought.

Re: Old, half-finished projects

Don Dougan — 2013-05-14T02:13:29

Hey Bill,
I have (literally) hundreds of pieces that have been passed-by, and
once-in-a-while I go back to them if the mood strikes. (the joys of keeping
a database of all the works-in-progress for thirty-odd years).
The pieces usually become something else as the (new) mood strikes -- never
what I though they would be originally.  My feelings are that they become
what they must become in the new view -- no regrets, no recriminations --
life simply goes on to the new thing.  We can never be what we were before
. . . and who - if 'life is growth' as Noguchi said so succinctly, would
want to?
Play with them -- don't feel they have to meet your old (out-dated)
expectations.  Take them to the new moon and see where they lead.

Cheers,
Don

Re: Old, half-finished projects

Angela Treat Lyon — 2013-05-14T02:21:13

I love this answer, Martin - great! 

I usually put stuff out of sight so it doesn't bug me every time I see it - and uncover it once in a while to see if there's any new ideas on it. if not, I recarve. 

Often I'll have a dream about it if I screwed up and busted a piece off or something. I had one piece sit around for 10 years before I finished it. 

Be patient.

aloha,
Angela

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Try giving them a voice. Ask the piece why it has stopped you then put yourself in the place of the piece and 'let it talk'. Might sound mad but is a normal technique in a number of forms of personal growth and psychotherapy. 

Martin Ringer
Director, Group Institute International
+61 431 421 834 (mobile)
+61 8 9467 6008 (office)
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Re: Old, half-finished projects

Thomas Martin Ringer — 2013-05-14T01:51:04

Try giving them a voice. Ask the piece why it has stopped you then put yourself in the place of the piece and 'let it talk'. Might sound mad but is a normal technique in a number of forms of personal growth and psychotherapy. 

Martin Ringer
Director, Group Institute International
+61 431 421 834 (mobile)
+61 8 9467 6008 (office)
www.groupinstitute.com




On 14/05/2013, at 9:17 AM, weissinger wrote:

Re: Old, half-finished projects

2013-05-14T01:45:53

I know exactly of what you speak.  I have several of those.  I had high
hopes for them, then they started to go south and I stopped before I ruined
them.  I find that when time passes and I take one and stare it down awhile,
that I come up with how to continue in a positive way.  Yes, you know you
can finish them with time.  I really don't think hacking them to pieces is
very productive.  Go ahead and give it a try.  If nothing comes to you go on
to another.
Think positive.
Jennifer 
 
 
 
 
Jennifer Cull
PO Box 504
Penn Valley, Ca 95946
(530) 913-7626
jennifercull-stonesculpture.com
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From: weissinger
Date: 5/13/2013 6:18:02 PM
To: stone-uGLqWuYN4qMgsBAKwltoeQ< at >public.gmane.org
Subject: [stone] Re: Old, half-finished projects
 
In my heart I think I know the answer to this question, but since the list
has been quiet lately I'll take this opportunity to ask: I've eight or dozen
half-finished projects that I worked on and then for which I lost enthusiasm
years ago.  They look at