http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27790 <pre>RMB: &lt;&lt;But that only works if the person actually is capable of hearing your reason and "leisovei daateih uleqabeil mei'avah asher yeia'ara lo". I don't see how his exception to the qv"ch's reasoning would apply to torture.&gt;&gt; I don't know how reasonable you believe it to be, but a similar case occurs near the end of the second act of Patience (right before the reprise of A Most Intense Young Man - - if you have access to The Complete Annotated Gilbert &amp; Sullivan it's on pp 343-344). David Riceman _______________________________________________ Avodah mailing list Avodah&lt; at &gt;lists.aishdas.org http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/avodah-aishdas.org </pre> David Riceman 2012-05-22T17:38:46 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27789 <pre>http://download.yutorah.org/2012/1053/Shavuot_To-Go_-_5772_prenup.pdf the YU rabbonim sign onto idea of prenup.... _______________________________________________ Avodah mailing list Avodah&lt; at &gt;lists.aishdas.org http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/avodah-aishdas.org </pre> Saul.Z.Newman< at >kp.org 2012-05-22T16:36:23 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27788 <pre>wondering if vertical versus horizontal makesa difference (eg, minhagei one versus the  other....)   hb ________________________________ From: Yosef Skolnick &lt;yskolnick&lt; at &gt;gmail.com&gt; To: Harvey Benton &lt;harvw613&lt; at &gt;yahoo.com&gt; Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Avodah] scraping/ finger.... I don't think they touch the parchment.... Yosef Skolnick 516-690-SKOL https://sites.google.com/site/yskolnick/ On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Harvey Benton &lt;harvw613&lt; at &gt;yahoo.com&gt; wrote: i have been to  a sfardi shul and they Avodah mailing list Avodah&lt; at &gt;lists.aishdas.org http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/avodah-aishdas.org </pre> Harvey Benton 2012-05-17T21:30:51 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27787 <pre>For summary of this polemic see: Bleich J.D. Bircas Hachammah 3rd ed 2009, pp144-149 where he basically states that the Chassidim say it, the Misnagdim don't. The Gra held that a bracha was pronounced with Hashem Elokainu always being said together WITHOUT a pause and this was the equivalent of L'shem Yichud ___________________________ Joel Schnur Senior VP Government Affairs/Public Relations Schnur Associates, Inc. 1350 Avenue of the Americas Suite 1200 New York, NY 10019 Tel. 212-489-0600 x204 Fax. 212-489-0203 &lt;mailto:joel&lt; at &gt;schnurassociates.com&gt; joel&lt; at &gt;schnurassociates.com &lt;http://www.schnurassociates.com/&gt; www.schnurassociates.com _______________________________________________ Avodah mailing list Avodah&lt; at &gt;lists.aishdas.org http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/avodah-aishdas.org </pre> Joel Schnur 2012-05-22T16:36:58 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27786 <pre> I don't see the CY as disagreeing with what I wrote as much as spelling out a nuance I hadn't: There are situation where one may cause more physical pain to a human being than to an animal in the same situation, or can cause physical pain at all to a person where one couldn't to an animal, simply because the person could understand your justification and therefore is less mitzta'er. But that only works if the person actually is capable of hearing your reason and "leisovei daateih uleqabeil mei'avah asher yeia'ara lo". I don't see how his exception to the qv"ch's reasoning would apply to torture. Tir'u baTov! -Micha </pre> Micha Berger 2012-05-22T16:22:17 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27785 <pre>My brother-in-law said the following at a simcha yesterday evening: Zephania 1:12 says "ahapes et Yerushalaim banerot", and the gematria of "nerot" is equal to the number of times in which Jerusalem is mentioned in the Bible. A cute vort if you like that kind of thing, and I am probably spoiling it by checking up, but it doesn't seem to fit the facts. The gematria of "nerot" is 656 Even Shoshan's concordance gives "Yerushalaim" 641 times and "Yerushlem" in the Aramaic sections 26 times for a total of 667. BDB gives 644 and 25 for a total of 669. "egrep -o ixeyli*[mn] | wc -l" in a text file that I downloaded years ago from the Hebrew U with all of Tanach in "hebrew oldcode" (does anybody else remember that?) also gives 669. Googling I found a couple of sites that say that Jerusalem is mentioned 656 times, with or without the gematria, but no more details. Does anybody have more info, especially some kvetch to make the gematria fit the total? _______________________________________________ Avodah maili</pre> Simon Montagu 2012-05-22T15:50:55 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27784 <pre>---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Doron Beckerman &lt;beck072&lt; at &gt;gmail.com&gt; Date: Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:35 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Rav Herschel Schachter - true freedom To: The General Discussion Area for Avodah &lt;areivim&lt; at &gt;lists.aishdas.org&gt; &gt;&gt; I looked at Rav Moshe's psak on learning in kollel and taking money while learning. He doesn't cite this a heter. RM brings two reasons: we pasken against the Rambam or Et La'asot. Is there any tshuva about army deferrals which cites this Rambam? &lt;&lt; R' YM Tikuczinsky http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=13429&amp;hilite=2ec410b3-7cab-4f7a-808c-cb309831cfef&amp;st=%d7%9e%d7%9c%d7%97%d7%9e%d7%aa+%d7%9e%d7%a6%d7%95%d7%94&amp;pgnum=285 And Harav Yitzcak Arieli of Merkaz Harav in Einayim Lamishpat to Bava Basra 7b http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14862&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=29 Either way, Rav Moshe held that Yeshiva students are absolved from army service in Israel. See IM Yoreh Deah IV:33. http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14679&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=263 See also Igrot H</pre> Doron Beckerman 2012-05-22T15:36:22 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27783 <pre> You can definitely conclude that it is not at all clear that the wars of Israel today have the status of Milchemes Mitzvah (because there are many potential components necessary to launch such a war). Which is what I said. Ben On 5/13/2012 6:48 AM, Doron Beckerman wrote: _______________________________________________ Avodah mailing list Avodah&lt; at &gt;lists.aishdas.org http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/avodah-aishdas.org </pre> Doron Beckerman 2012-05-22T15:01:05 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27782 <pre>: oznas ben keniel (?) came up with halachat after Moshe rabeinu Osniel ben Kenaz recreated 3,000 halakhos. : my question is, what percentage of halachot were actually lost, that he : had to recover ( eg, there were no toldos, rabannans (decrees) shitas : or various sorts etc, Why do you say their were no tolados? And there may have been MORE shitos. There were fewer things that a poseiq said must be one way or the other. But in any case, it would mean fewer specific halakhos. There are 1,715 si'manim in the SA. I con't know how many se'ifim that comes to. But my GUESS is that of the SA, 3,000 halakhos is around 10% in very round numbers. The Rambam comes to something like 15,000 halakhos, so that 3,000 would be 20%. But odds are 3,000 is a symbolic rather than literal number. Tir'u baTov! -Micha </pre> Micha Berger 2012-05-22T14:33:24 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27781 <pre> He says explicitly that they don't go out to war! How can there be "no connection"?! </pre> Zev Sero 2012-05-22T13:14:32 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27780 <pre>oznas ben keniel (?) came up with halachat after Moshe rabeinu passed away.....my question is, what percentage of halachot were actually lost, that he had to recover (  eg, there were no toldos, rabannans (decrees) shitas or various sorts etc,  it seems that though he recovered many] in actual; number, how many in actual percentage at that time???   hb_______________________________________________ Avodah mailing list Avodah&lt; at &gt;lists.aishdas.org http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/avodah-aishdas.org </pre> Harvey Benton 2012-05-22T06:34:30 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27779 <pre> First show me a teshuva on the subject at all. I don't know of any. If there were a teshuva on the subject then it would have to cite this Rambam. It doesn't override, it doesn't contradict. This Rambam says that Shevet Levi and all who join them don't serve. He has no need to repeat it later, so kedarko he doesn't; he expects you to remember it. I don't know whether he addresses it at all, or what he says about it if so, but it speaks for itself. </pre> Zev Sero 2012-05-22T02:28:02 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27778 <pre>I'd just like to point out that in the past you used the Rambam in Shmitta to justify kollel payments. But just like (at least) one posek sees no connection between that Rambam and taking money to learn, so too there is no connection between that Rambam and deferring army service. Ben On 5/21/2012 11:05 PM, Zev Sero wrote: _______________________________________________ Avodah mailing list Avodah&lt; at &gt;lists.aishdas.org http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/avodah-aishdas.org </pre> Ben Waxman 2012-05-22T02:22:15 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27777 <pre> 1. 1. Humbly, let me suggest that God's connection with us is the basic mechanism of Torah and Mitzvoth. Active "Chai" meaning going both ways and reacting is the key description of God. 2. The active and repeated even continuous intercession by Hashem is the basis of Tefila. It is the Connection with God as an ongoing "unit/gestalt/dyad" that is basic Judaism. hashem's intercession is the basis for the Relationship. 3. Locate the epicenter! Look in Jewish history, for the very basis and bedrock foundation words. Build the Tower of Judaism on the following Pasuk. Here is where the Connection is most expressed. Here is a transcendental expression of the powerful connection Am Yisrael has with Hashem: 4. UKVOD HASHEM MALEH ES HAMISHKAN. 5. God's Glory filled the Mishkan</pre> David Wacholder 2012-05-22T06:05:07 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27776 <pre>Exactly; the Rambam is brought up in discussions but not in a tshevua, because it isn't a real proof of anything. It is your assertion that this Rambam overrides other Rambams and that's it. RAL doesn't know this Rambam and doesn't know that it overrides the Hilchot Melachim? Doesn't sound reasonable. Ben On 5/21/2012 11:05 PM, Zev Sero wrote: _______________________________________________ Avodah mailing list Avodah&lt; at &gt;lists.aishdas.org http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/avodah-aishdas.org </pre> Ben Waxman 2012-05-22T02:16:11 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27775 <pre>RMB: The Havoth Yair says that very absurdity in the last paragraph of Siman 191 (cited recently by RCM) on the cogent grounds that a person can understand the reason for the pain but the animal cannot. David Riceman _______________________________________________ Avodah mailing list Avodah&lt; at &gt;lists.aishdas.org http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/avodah-aishdas.org </pre> David Riceman 2012-05-21T23:33:33 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27774 <pre> I don't know of any teshuvos about army deferrals altogether, but this Rambam is constantly cited in discussions of the topic. But that's not really relevant; you asked why the Rambam doesn't mention this exemption, and I pointed out that he does. That's all. You expected to find it in Hil' Melachim, but that's not how the Rambam works. On 21/05/2012 12:03 PM, Ben Waxman wrote: Ma inyan shmita etzel har sinai? The same Rambam who says not to take money for learning says that learning does exempt one from army service. </pre> Zev Sero 2012-05-21T20:05:16 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27773 <pre>:&gt; Limited Scholarships are available. Please call 973.471.6351 to inquire for :&gt; details on your rate based on your housing option You can use massur money :&gt; for some of payment http://mim.io/519f92 for housing : Any idea why this would be eligible for maser money? ... Maybe from the reisha "limited scholarships are available" which would allow "maaser money for SOME of payment" (emphasis added). Maaser kesafim is only for the poor, not for other charitable causes or personal education. (The Rama is quite clear.) I also don't know if we hold like the Maharil (maaser kesafim is derabbanan) or the Bach (minhag). (Just to pick two names from a very broad machloqes.) The latter would diminish how firm rules about what one may spend maaser on are. Tir'u baTov! -Micha </pre> Micha Berger 2012-05-21T22:51:13 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27772 <pre> Any idea why this would be eligible for maser money? (perhaps net profit over cost which is used to fund other programs? Net difference in cost from a private getaway in a similar location?) KT Joel Rich _______________________________________________ Avodah mailing list Avodah&lt; at &gt;lists.aishdas.org http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/avodah-aishdas.org </pre> Rich, Joel 2012-05-21T18:50:56 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27771 <pre> A lack of sheleimus (c.f. Rashi) or "ein hasheim malei" (Ramban) doesn't necessarily mean two halves to be unified. Tir'u baTov! -Micha _______________________________________________ Avodah mailing list Avodah&lt; at &gt;lists.aishdas.org http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/avodah-aishdas.org </pre> Micha Berger 2012-05-21T22:28:45 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah/27770 <pre>I looked at Rav Moshe's psak on learning in kollel and taking money while learning. He doesn't cite this a heter. RM brings two reasons: we pasken against the Rambam or Et La'asot. Is there any tshuva about army deferrals which cites this Rambam? Ben On 5/15/2012 12:12 AM, Zev Sero wrote: _______________________________________________ Avodah mailing list Avodah&lt; at &gt;lists.aishdas.org http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/avodah-aishdas.org </pre> Ben Waxman 2012-05-21T16:03:19 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.culture.religion.jewish.avodah