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Re: Wayland state of Openbox.

Dana Jansens — 2013-05-20T23:41:02

Please see one of the previous threads about this
On May 20, 2013 5:53 PM, "Fanis Babaloukas" <dangerahead478-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org>
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Wayland state of Openbox.

Fanis Babaloukas — 2013-05-20T21:53:10

Are there any plans to make openbox work with wayland? Or will we wait
until the X compability?
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Re: openbox/lxde and empty QT windows

Wayne Oliver — 2013-05-07T08:19:42

On 06 May 2013, at 5:54 PM, Eugene M. Zheganin <eugene-BVhaE8lPbRH/PtFMR13I2A< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:


This may sound silly, but are you updating your system regularly?

I remember when running gentoo a few years ago and keeping it fairly bleeding edge. 
I would run into strange issue like this when not restarting the app after it's been updated.

Thanks

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Re: openbox/lxde and empty QT windows

Andrew Gallant — 2013-05-07T05:42:59

Also, while doing this, run Openbox with the `--debug` option enabled
and look at its logs. (I think it's just on stderr.) Also look at the
X server logs. If you see anything interesting (like an error
repeating over and over after reproducing your problem), then post
them to a pasty and I'll have a look.
- Andrew


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Re: openbox/lxde and empty QT windows

Andrew Gallant — 2013-05-07T05:40:28

I am baffled. The fact that you can still interact with the window is
*also* a symptom of Java swing apps. But if you have an up-to-date
Konsole (and your version info confirms that) and it's still
happening, then that is odd.

Here are some threads to pull. I'm not at all confident that any will
lead to anything fruitful:

- xrestop is useless here. Maybe useful for a toolkit dev, but not for
a user debugging on their own.

- Try experimenting more with the number of windows you have open.
Start with a clean environment and try to re-create the problem by
opening N Qt windows. When that happens, see if you can get back to
normal by removing windows.

- If you can do the above, try experimenting with different kinds of
apps. Can you reproduce with just Konsole windows?

- Try opening lots of windows that use GTK and see if you can
reproduce the problem.

- Try older versions of konsole/qt/Psi if possible.

- File a bug against Qt (or try to find an IRC channel). Use data
gathered from above.

- Try a differ

Re: openbox/lxde and empty QT windows

Eugene M. Zheganin — 2013-05-07T05:27:42

Hi.

On 07.05.2013 11:07, Andrew Gallant wrote:
This is Qt-4.8.2 under xorg-7.5.2/openbox-3.5.0, the system is FreeBSD
9.1-PRERELEASE/amd64. No compositing managers are running that I'm aware of.
This issue is happening at some point with any Qt window (konsole menus,
psi chat windows (btw 'kont' is just a man from the psi roster), cantata
menus - i.e. any part of Qt windows). They may behave differently - for
example windows where openbox draws some borders, like psi chat windows
- they appear like on the screenshot. And the windows where openbox has
nothing to draw (I mean - borders, caption) - they do not appear at all,
however, their elements can be interacted with, for example you can
blindly choose some menu options with a mouse (you don't see them, but
if you know where they will appear - you can switch them). I was trying
to understand what's happening by runnig xrestop, but seems I just don't
know how to interpret it's output. This issue can be partially resolved
by closing some of the Qt applicatio

Re: openbox/lxde and empty QT windows

Andrew Gallant — 2013-05-07T05:07:01

It is quite typical to see visual quirks from apps in environments
with a lightweight DE or no DE at all if your GTK and Qt
configurations are not set up correctly. I suspect this was the "conflict"
that 52midnight was referring to.

However, such conflicts don't typically manifest themselves as blank
windows. It's usually in the form of ugliness.


Could you please provide more information?

- What version of Qt is `kont` using?
- Is this happening with other Qt windows? Or just `kont`?
- What version of Openbox?
- What version of X?
- Any compositing managers running?

I've only seen the kind of behavior you're experiencing in
applications using some variant of Java swing, so I am quite puzzled
to see this from Qt.

- Andrew
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Re: openbox/lxde and empty QT windows

Eugene M. Zheganin — 2013-05-07T04:05:47

Hi.

On 07.05.2013 01:32, 52midnight wrote:
Like catholics or protestants ? Or like Red Rose and White Rose ?
I don't understand what 'conflict' you're talking about. These are just
windows, man. Just widgets from different toolkits.
That particular window is from Psi. Psi isn't about KDE or about Gnome.
It's just Psi, like Switzerland. They may be speaking German, but this
doesn't mean that they were fighting for Nazi during WWII.

When I was using KDE I've never saw a FF window rebelling against kwin,
and it's written using gtk, if that's what you mean.

Thanks.
Eugene.
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Re: openbox/lxde and empty QT windows

52midnight — 2013-05-06T19:32:51

what's causing them ?

The app you've used in the shot is titled 'knot'. Is it a KDE app?  
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openbox/lxde and empty QT windows

Eugene M. Zheganin — 2013-05-06T15:54:18

Hi.

I'm using LXDE/openbox, and I have a problem.
After some time running I'm starting to get empty windows from a QT
applications:

http://zhegan.in/files/screen-lxde3.png

what's causing them ?

I've asked on a LXDE forum too, but got no answer.
After I restart X or exit/enter LXDE this issue is gone for some time,
but then it starts again.

Thanks.
Eugene.
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Re: Window size in per-app settings

Dana Jansens — 2013-05-05T13:08:39

On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Johannes Schaffrath <
johannes.schaffrath-S0/GAf8tV78< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:


<size> was added to the per-application rules some time ago, but is only in
git, not in the last 3.5 release. It'll be in the next release of you can
build a copy form git.

- dana


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Re: Openbox stay on top window

Jim Rees — 2013-05-03T21:54:54

What do you want to happen when you click on another window? You may want to
look at the actions you have defined for mousebind. It may be as simple as
removing the "raise" action.
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Re: Window size in per-app settings

Johannes Schaffrath — 2013-05-03T16:10:50

Hi,

a <size> tag doesn't exist. It isn't possible (as far as I know) with 
per-app setting to start a application with default width&height 
(something along these lines is the <maximized> tag). Which application 
do you want to start? Maybe your application has own geometry settings?

Greetings

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Window size in per-app settings

Matteo Brichese — 2013-05-03T13:26:56

Hi, now that I've solved my "layer problem" I need to make some more tunning on my openbox installation, I need to open a particular window in a default width and height.
I've already tried with the <size> tag in the per-app settings (found on the web) but it seems to not work (I don't event know if it's a existing tag).

So, it's possible to make a default width&height for a per-app setting?

Thank you

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Re: Openbox stay on top window

Matteo Brichese — 2013-05-03T12:43:20

I've solved it with a little hack:

I've added this mouse bindings
<mouse>
 <context name="Frame">
    <mousebind button="Left" action="Press">
        <action name="RaiseLower"/>
    </mousebind>
 </context>
</mouse>

So, when I click on the QT app in the background it stay in the back.

Now I need to set a default size for a window, and that's seems to be another problem with that!
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Oggetto: Re: [openbox] Openbox stay on top window

I'm investigating.

By now my rc file is this:

<openbox_config>
<applications>
  <application title="gst-launch-0.10">
    <decor>no</decor>
    <position force="yes">
        <x>320</x>
        <y>230</y>
    </position>
    <layer>above</layer>
    <skip_taskbar>yes</skip_taskbar>

Re: Openbox stay on top window

Matteo Brichese — 2013-05-03T08:47:47

I'm investigating.

By now my rc file is this:

<openbox_config>
<applications>
  <application title="gst-launch-0.10">
    <decor>no</decor>
    <position force="yes">
        <x>320</x>
        <y>230</y>
    </position>
    <layer>above</layer>
    <skip_taskbar>yes</skip_taskbar>
    <skip_pager>yes</skip_pager>
    <focus>yes</focus>
  </application>
  <application title="Qt">
    <decor>no</decor>
    <layer>below</layer>
    <skip_taskbar>yes</skip_taskbar>
    <skip_pager>yes</skip_pager>
    <focus>no</focus>
  </application>
</applications>
</openbox_config>

and it works until I click on my Qt app, when I click my qt app gain focus and came to front.

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Re: Openbox stay on top window

Philip Newborough — 2013-05-03T08:02:11

Hmm, so is it possible to set the Qt app to always be on bottom? Or am
I being too simple? Sorry, I'm not familiar with gst-launch.

Philip
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Re: Openbox stay on top window

Matteo Brichese — 2013-05-03T07:31:33

No solution?
I'm in an embedded environment, I've only 2 app, a QT application in fullscreen mode and a gst-launch application that have to show a video over the QT app.

If it's not possible to make an "alwaysOnTop" on certain window maybe it's possible to tell openbox to handle only the gst-launch window an no other window? I need openbox because it's the only method to put the gst-launch window where I want it.

Fluxbox is able to make what I want, but I cannot instal it by now...

Regards
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the Layer tag doesn't work, I mean, it work until I click on another window.
I've a FS application running and I want to open another window on top of this one, but I need to interoperate with the FS application and mantain the other window in foreground.

The second window is launched from the FS application and I need to keep it visible until I destroy it from the FS app.
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Re: Can't create a valid menu.xml

52midnight — 2013-05-02T23:51:01

Re my difficulties with the Openbox Main Menu, it appears that LXDE has  
its own tools. Got this from the LXDE forum:

http://lxlinux.com/

Still investigating, but thought it might be useful for others using LXDE.
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Re: Wayland

Dana Jansens — 2013-05-02T21:45:43


I believe you will be running X inside wayland when that does happen.


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Re: Wayland

Folderol — 2013-05-02T19:43:02

On Wed, 1 May 2013 15:47:08 -0400
Dana Jansens <dana-zZTRtpPJXhleoWH0uzbU5w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:


Thanks for the explanation. As Opnebox is my desktop of choice by a long way,
it's bit depressing if people do move to wayland en-masse :(