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Re: Hotfix release process

dieter — 2013-06-20T05:56:04

There are always ways to improve: e.g. you could have a
test environment for "plone.org" -- with essentially the same
setup as the productive "plone.org" (and copied databases,
when the test starts). And you could use
this environment to make the "plone.org" tests, before the
actual release.


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Re: Hotfix release process

dieter — 2013-06-20T05:53:12


Andreas should understand this argument. When I pointed out an
obvious bug/weakness in his "TextIndexNG3" (several years ago),
he answered "you get what you have paid for" ;-)

Maybe, he can also convince the large institution administrators
that services without fees may not provide the same "quality"
than those for which the institutions pay a significant amount
of anual fees.


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Re: Hotfix release process

Eric Steele — 2013-06-20T05:33:22

No, it's "You are either helping or you are not" and right now neither of you are. Let's keep this civil, gents.   

Eric  


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Re: Hotfix release process

ajung — 2013-06-20T03:27:17

The typical "you are with us or you are against us" argumentation. 

Welcome to the Plone one-opinion communism.

-aj



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Re: iterate form fields error

Steve McMahon — 2013-06-20T00:01:15

I'm guessing that you're trying to do this in Restricted Python (a TTW
script) and that this is the source of the privilege error.

Why don't you just use the form fields you need? And not try to get at
everything in request.form?


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Re: Updating to 4.3 buildout troubles

Jody Reed — 2013-06-19T19:16:36

 

Sorry, I figured it out. Just me not understanding. I didn't realize I had to be in directory bootstrap.py resided in. Thanks Daniel for the original answer and Nathan for reiterating. Maybe one day, I'll get this stuff sorted out! 

And yes Plone upgraded fine after I got zc.buildout figured.

Jody  

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From: Nathan Van Gheem [mailto:vangheem-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 11:03 AM
To: Jody Reed
Cc: Daniel Jowett; plone-users
Subject: Re: [Plone-Users] Updating to 4.3 buildout troubles

 

It seems like you should be able to do something like:

 

/home/plonedev/Plone/Python-2.7/bin/python bootstrap -v 1.7.1

 

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Jody Reed <jreed-ZWCkQTszN2++XMcVynmupQ< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

OK, I confess, I am feeling stupid right now...

My path to Python in buildout points to home/plonedev/Plone/Python-2.7/bin/python

However, there is no python subdirectory or bootstrap.py in that directory?

This is what is

iterate form fields error

Lian Yan — 2013-06-19T18:05:30

Hi, 

I tried to iterate form fields to join some fields values. I find that the follow line of code causes "insufficient privilege error"

--------------------------------------------
for key, value in form.iteritems():
--------------------------------------------

where,  form = request.form

I think request.form should be a dictionary. But why it causes error? Do I need to import some package?

Thanks,

Lian

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Re: Updating to 4.3 buildout troubles

Nathan Van Gheem — 2013-06-19T18:03:18

It seems like you should be able to do something like:

/home/plonedev/Plone/Python-2.7/bin/python bootstrap -v 1.7.1


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Re: Updating to 4.3 buildout troubles

Jody Reed — 2013-06-19T17:46:05

OK, I confess, I am feeling stupid right now...

My path to Python in buildout points to home/plonedev/Plone/Python-2.7/bin/python

However, there is no python subdirectory or bootstrap.py in that directory?

This is what is listed...

.

..

python2           

python2-config

easy_install      

pydoc   

python2.7         

python-config

easy_install-2.7 

python <-- this is a link to executable  

python2.7-config  

smtpd.py

 

What am I missing here? I know these are stupid questions, and probably obvious to seasoned users, but I'm not.

If could possibly help it would be appreciated

Jody

 

 

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From: Daniel Jowett [mailto:dtj-4cDJ6izDvcdvmJmQz4FtxpqQE7yCjDx5< at >public.gmane.org] 
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To: Jody Reed
Cc: plone-users-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f< at >public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [Plone-Users] Updating to 4.3 buildout troubles

 

Hi Jody,

   I believe that what you want is to run:

<path_to_python>/bin/python bootstrap.py -v 1.7.1

whi

Re: Hotfix release process

Asko Soukka — 2013-06-19T16:23:07

Armin Stroß-Radschinski <developer-itUlVD6B3SM< at >public.gmane.org> kirjoitti 19.6.2013 kello 18.13:

+1

We have used custom products directories (different directory for different Plone version) for security updates for some time now. We "had to invent" it to make it possible for **anyone available** to just unpack the zip file and restart the server (without need to know buildout or give it any changes to fail). It has worked well and there's no more need for anyone to cancel his/her vacation just because of a security patch.

-Asko

PS. Just amazing that the security team was able to provide the patch all the way to Plone 2.x!

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Re: Updating to 4.3 buildout troubles

Daniel Jowett — 2013-06-19T07:22:27

Hi Jody,

    I believe that what you want is to run:

<path_to_python>/bin/python bootstrap.py -v 1.7.1

which will regenerate your bin/buildout  (please back it up first)

where <path_to_python> is found on the first line of your existing 
bin/buildout.

Then you can rerun buildout.


Buildout version 1.7.1 seems to work for me, but I'm not upgraded to 
Plone 4.3 yet.


regards,
Daniel



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Re: Upgrade Plone Hotfix

Steve McMahon — 2013-06-19T15:59:09

That information is on the hotfix release page:
http://plone.org/products/plone-hotfix/releases/20130618


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Re: Upgrade Plone Hotfix

Nathan Van Gheem — 2013-06-19T15:59:16

No, in buildout, where you specify:

Products.PloneHotfix20130618

change it to:

Products.PloneHotfix20130618==1.1

then, re-run buildout


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Upgrade Plone Hotfix

JimL — 2013-06-19T15:55:34

I currently have version 1.0 of the hotfix installed.

As I use buildout I don't use the products directory.

In order to upgrade to 1.1, do i simply download and unpack to:

/usr/local/Plone/buildout-cache/eggs/

?

Cheers,  Jim



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Re: Hotfix release process

Matthew Wilkes — 2013-06-19T15:19:40

I didn't realise. Where did I get that?

Matt


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Re: Hotfix release process

Matthew Wilkes — 2013-06-19T15:17:42



Coming from the person that gives the single worst impression of Plone 
of any community member to new users, that's quite rich.

Matt


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Re: Hotfix release process

Armin Stroß-Radschinski — 2013-06-19T15:13:53

I just suggest one simple solution:

If the team does NOT says it publishes EXACTLY at this point in time and instead say e.g. "within an expected timeframe of 15 or 30 minutes depending of actual latencies to propagate the publication." everybody can adjust.

You can catch both targets this way. Not saying the truth is bad but making it hard to match the target announced by yourself. Using language like this is stupid but common (waiter in the restaurant). So adjust what you promise to realistic possibilities!

If you promise too optimistic you are trapped if it fails!

In spite of better knowledge I am currently in a similar situation and know what I am saying! 

Matt: Take this seriously! If you were an average blabla writer, it would not be hard. But you have professional training in using proper language! Use it and support your team in writing ;-) The points Andreas is aiming at are very serious indeed! Forget other connotations known from his posts.

Armin

(shit we are germans, I know) 

By the way:

Re: Hotfix release process

David Bain — 2013-06-19T14:43:43

I have to +1 ajung's feedback here.
While we have the insider's view it is important that we stay aware of the
outsider's view.

I think internally we want to properly manage the quality of the hotfixes
while on the outside people expect things to look like we have everything
under control. I didn't understand Andreas to be saying that we should
ignore the internal considerations, he's cautioning us about the
repercussions of not sticking to our "hotfix commitments".

I hope I got that right.


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Re: Hotfix release process

Patrick Gerken — 2013-06-19T15:01:50

I think we all agree that it is important to look good, friendly and
professional to outsiders.

We have a very bureaucratic customer who maintains their own plone sites
inhouse.
We had to inform them about the hotfix, and we had to inform them about
the upgrade (Which can't be deployed yet due to process restrictions...)
They did not complain at all about the 10 minutes delay, they just
waited those ten minutes.

Also,
https://plone.org/products/plone/security/advisories/20130618-announcement
advices for a 60 minutes maintenance windows.
With such a maintenance windows, the 10 minute delay would not be an issue.
So I don't get your point either.

An only slightly unrelated note, The BSI, a german government agency for
IT Security, did a CMS evaluation. One of the few complaints of plone
was a missing dedicated security mailing list. I think, this would be
good for the "outsiders" who only want to be informed when they have to
do something. Maybe a list that only allows people to write to a week
before the

Re: Hotfix and dtml problem

Luca Fabbri — 2013-06-19T14:54:56

Version 1.0 or 1.1?


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Re: Text area of the TinyMCE expands across theentire page

espen — 2013-06-19T14:46:34

Try putting a width on the toolbar (with css)

Espen


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