http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5159 <pre> Apologies, I mistakenly thought it was clear I was referring to the official vs. observed boundary in the area my post was concerned with, Owyhee NV. It hadn't occurred to me that someone could misconstrue the words "The Nevada/Idaho state line" to refer to time zone borders Nevada shares with states other than Idaho. Cheers, Steve Jones </pre> Steve Jones 2012-05-22T16:03:28 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5158 <pre>Maybe that is the reason why I do not see any proposal to change the backward entries. </pre> Tobias Conradi 2012-05-22T15:31:19 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5157 <pre> Changing the backward entries to conform to the naming rule would do more harm than good! It's been a long time since I used an early Unix system with 14 character filename limits, but IIRC you could open a file using a longer name - it just truncated the name passed in. </pre> Ian Abbott 2012-05-22T14:56:43 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5156 <pre>On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Steffen Daode Nurpmeso &lt;sdaoden&lt; at &gt;googlemail.com&gt; wrote: East-Saskatchewan is in ftp://ftp.iana.org/tz/data/backward "Canada/East-Saskatchewan" which is not a valid name for a zone according to the current Theory file. ------ A file name component must not exceed 14 characters or start with `-'. E.g., prefer `Brunei' to `Bandar_Seri_Begawan'. ------ ftp://ftp.iana.org/tz/data/zone.tab does not list any name of a zone with a name component having more than 14 characters. </pre> Tobias Conradi 2012-05-22T12:32:08 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5155 <pre> |DumontDUrville = 14 characters, which is the maximum allowed. East-Saskatchewan. And there are more, but i simply did $ tail -c 4096 [.]/cvsroot/cpp-sys/shared/timezone.dat,v | less Or are you actually going for portable filename limits here. It's a bit late for that, is it. --steffen Forza Figa! </pre> Steffen Daode Nurpmeso 2012-05-22T12:18:13 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5154 <pre> That's a good way to describe it, but perhaps needs the extra qualifier of facing downstream. </pre> Ian Abbott 2012-05-22T11:56:23 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5153 <pre>In reply to: [tz] Idaho tz correction Ian Abbott abbotti at mev.co.uk Tue May 22 11:12:18 UTC 2012 .... I guess we'd want to change the comment for Southern Idaho (America/Boise) as well, replacing "the southern quarter of Idaho county" with "the part of Idaho county lying south of the Salmon River".) Though looking at the map, the river meanders a bit so that some of the portion described above as lying south of the Salmon River is actually north of part of the river and south of another part of the same river! Reply: The law says that the "main channel of the Salmon River" the boundary is. US Code of Federal Regulations, Title 49 (Transportation), Subtitle A (Office of the Secretary of Transportation), Part 71 (Standard Time Zone Boundaries). See paragraph 71.9. Oscar van Vlijmen </pre> OvV_HN 2012-05-22T11:20:45 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5152 <pre> North -&gt; right bank South -&gt; left bank </pre> Tobias Conradi 2012-05-22T11:44:07 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5151 <pre>Antarctica/DumontDUrville DumontDUrville = 14 characters, which is the maximum allowed. Thank you. I change the zone name in my proposal to America/West_Wendover It is still only 13 characters. </pre> Tobias Conradi 2012-05-22T11:41:38 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5150 <pre> Do we allow CamelCase? Maybe that should be America/West_Wendover for consistency. </pre> Ian Abbott 2012-05-22T11:27:36 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5149 <pre>America/WestWendover covering the City of West Wendover, Nevada currently in America/Detroit According to ftp://ftp.iana.org/tz/data/northamerica 8.54 ---start---- # From Rives McDow (2000-08-30): ... # West Wendover, NV (from PST TO MST) ... 1999-10 ---end---- This has already been reported in 2000. Area was on Pacific Time. In 1999 a proposal was made to change it to Mountain Time http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-1999-07-26/html/99-19041.htm This was enacted http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-1999-10-21/html/99-27240.htm According to http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&amp;sid=9de43ec56f3779d6aac14029c8c4f434&amp;rgn=div8&amp;view=text&amp;node=49:1.0.1.1.31.0.16.9&amp;idno=49 ---start--------------- as of May 18, 2012 § 71.9 Boundary line between mountain and Pacific zones. b) Utah-Nevada-Arizona-California. From the northeast corner of the State of Nevada southerly along the Utah-Nevada boundary to the junction with the northern border of the City of West Wendover, Nevada. Then westward along the northe</pre> Tobias Conradi 2012-05-22T11:12:44 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5148 <pre> I guess we'd want to change the comment for Southern Idaho (America/Boise) as well, replacing "the southern quarter of Idaho county" with "the part of Idaho county lying south of the Salmon River".) Though looking at the map, the river meanders a bit so that some of the portion described above as lying south of the Salmon River is actually north of part of the river and south of another part of the same river! </pre> Ian Abbott 2012-05-22T11:12:18 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5147 <pre>[inserting the corrected link: http://ontimezone.com/images/owyhee.gif ] Not according to http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&amp;sid=9de43ec56f3779d6aac14029c8c4f434&amp;rgn=div8&amp;view=text&amp;node=49:1.0.1.1.31.0.16.9&amp;idno=49 Details of the 1999 request: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-1999-07-26/html/99-19041.htm </pre> Tobias Conradi 2012-05-22T11:00:17 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5146 <pre>No it doesn't ;) Perhaps a correct link might? </pre> Lester Caine 2012-05-22T06:52:07 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5145 <pre> LOL and apologies... http://ontimezone.com/images/owyhee.gif That clipboard needs a DWIM (do what I mean) filter. Cheers, Steve Jones </pre> Steve Jones 2012-05-22T06:43:24 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5144 <pre> And &lt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owyhee,_Nevada&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owyhee,_Nevada. This image: www.discogs.com/Frank-Zappa-Sheik-Yerbouti/release/429613 demonstrates the local time zone border. The Nevada/Idaho state line is the official border, while the portion of the magenta that descends south into Nevada is the local unofficial observed time. Cheers, Steve Jones </pre> Steve Jones 2012-05-22T06:31:08 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5143 <pre>was "Idaho tz correction" On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Alan Mintz &lt;Alan_Mintz+TZ_IANA&lt; at &gt;earthlink.net&gt; wrote: ... Tobias Conradi suggested a replacement already at 2012-05-01: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2012-May/017654.html </pre> Tobias Conradi 2012-05-22T01:35:04 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5142 <pre>On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Alan Mintz &lt;Alan_Mintz+TZ_IANA&lt; at &gt;earthlink.net&gt; wrote: I don't see the string "Idaho" at http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2012-April/thread.html nor http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2012-March/thread.html Can you show a source for your statement? </pre> Tobias Conradi 2012-05-22T01:30:44 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5141 <pre>was "Idaho tz correction" On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Alan Mintz &lt;Alan_Mintz+TZ_IANA&lt; at &gt;earthlink.net&gt; wrote: ... ... Alan, that would introduce inconsistency, since for Mountain time, represented by Denver it says "Nevada border (Jackpot, Owyhee, and Mountain City)" and then West Wendover wouldn't be covered anywhere. I suggest to keep "most of Nevada", but to amend the comments for the Nevada part that is on Mountain time, so the exceptions are only mentioned at one place. More info the exceptions at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackpot,_Nevada http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Wendover,_Nevada </pre> Tobias Conradi 2012-05-22T01:27:16 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5140 <pre>I see someone tried to address this last month but it kind of fell flat. The solution seems clear to me, as described here: The dividing line is actually the Salmon River, so I would change the paragraph to: # US Pacific time, represented by Los Angeles # # California, northern Idaho (Benewah, Bonner, Boundary, Clearwater, # Kootenai, Latah, Lewis, Nez Perce, and Shoshone counties, # and the part of Idaho county lying north of the Salmon River), # most of Nevada, most of Oregon, and Washington If we wanted to give the same detail treatment to NV and OR: # US Pacific time, represented by Los Angeles # # - California # - Washington # - Northern Idaho (Benewah, Bonner, Boundary, Clearwater, # Kootenai, Latah, Lewis, Nez Perce, and Shoshone counties, # and the part of Idaho county lying north of the Salmon River) # - Oregon (except for the northern 3/4 of Malheur County) # - Nevada (except for West Wendover) I attempted to send this to the contact address at the top of the table (tz&lt; at &gt;elsie.nci.nih.gov</pre> Alan Mintz 2012-05-21T22:04:37 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/5139 <pre> Looks like it could be even more usefully (and just as succinctly) described as "Idaho county northeast of Salmon River". -zefram </pre> Zefram 2012-05-21T20:35:22 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.comp.time.tz