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    <title>Re: serial module</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/710995</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;In article &amp;lt;jp6gcj$1rij$1&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;adenine.netfront.net&amp;gt;,
Ron Eggler  &amp;lt;ronDOTeggler&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;tscheemail.com&amp;gt; wrote:

You realize that these parameters relate to RS232 ports?
It is anybody's guess what they do in USB. The best answers is probably
that it depends on the whim of whoever implements the usb device.

Certainly this stuff is system dependant, so please start with stating
which version kernel etc. of Linux you run, and the output of
lsusb --verbose.


Groetjes Albert

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    <title>Re: DIR reports file timestamp and size, but os.path.getctime(),os.path.getsize() raise WindowsError [Error 5] Access is denied</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/710994</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;On 5/21/2012 5:01 PM python&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;bdurham.com said...
&amp;lt;snip&amp;gt;

Beyond the obvious trap the error and use the commands module to run DIR 
directly?

Emile




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    <dc:creator>Emile van Sebille</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-05-22T15:26:50</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: Wish: Allow all log Handlers to accept the level argument</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/710993</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;Meanwhile you can shorten the code this way:

root.addHandler(FileHandler('debug.log'))
root.handlers[-1].setLevel(DEBUG)

JM

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    <dc:creator>Jean-Michel Pichavant</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-05-22T13:31:52</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: Recruiting for Python Developer - Perm</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/710992</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;
I'm in the U.S. so would not be applying for your position, but one 
thing your post neglects to mention is that competence on Mac OS X may 
also be required here. appscript is a Mac-specific technology (Python 
interface to Apple Event framework), and can be used to script Adobe 
Illustrator, which, of course, does not run on Linux.

&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Kevin Walzer</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-05-22T13:25:51</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: Advantages of logging vs. print()</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/710991</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;Well, getting all the features of the standard logging modules without 
writing a line is one huge benefit.
It has among many other things :
  - Handlers: ability to handle logs in a different way, logging on 
stdout, on a file, on the network ...
  - Filters: ability to filter logs, depending on their severity, 
content or whatsoever
  - Thread safe
  - fully integrated with any other application using the logging module
  - configuration file
  - it's standard

If you plan to release your module to the python community, using the 
logging module is something you should consider.
Only by stating that your module is using the standard logging module 
will allow any user to configure it as they se fit.

btw

The code is usually the following:

import logging
logger = logging.getLogger(__name__)


JM

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    <title>Re: Unexpected exception thrown in __del__</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/710990</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;I may be stating somthing you already know, sorry if it happends.

__del__ is *not* executed upon a del statement, so I hope you don't have 
any del(obj) assuming __del__ will be called. That is not true.
__del__ is called when there's no reference to an object any more, *AND* 
when the python implementation feels in the mood for it, which is 
specific to that implemenation.

There's a chance that a class method won't fix anything, if it does, 
it's not reliable anyway.

Cheers,

JM

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    <title>Re: Recruiting for Python Developer - Perm</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/710989</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;

aHaHaHaHaHa...

And what percentage will you be charging your client? 15 percent? 25
percent?

Even if you were to offer 15% of your (say) 15% commission you should
be offering over a grand.

I might well fit your profile, and know &amp;amp; like the Bradford area. I
also use recruitment agencies when hiring. You're certainly off my
list...

Try doing a bit of research beforehand. There is a Python Jobs listing
where you can make your paltry offer.

    J^n
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    <title>Re: Recruiting for Python Developer - Perm</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/710988</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;Someone will soon pop up and tell you that job ads are
unwelcome on this list and that you should post to
the Python Jobs board --&amp;gt; http://www.python.org/community/jobs/

However, the python-uk list is probably a better place for
UK-focused jobs, as long as you have something which is
definitely Python and definitely in the UK:

  http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk

TJG
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    <title>Recruiting for Python Developer - Perm</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/710987</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;Can any one help? I am looking for a Senior Python Developer  - Linux,
AppScript, Adobe Illustrator - Bradford, Yorkshire - £45,000

Our marketing and design client is looking to recruit an experienced
Python developer for a senior position within their expanding
organisation.  Working independently, you will need a good background
of developing Python on Linux, be an experienced software developer,
have skills in C, SQL and any experience in Adobe Illustrator and
Photoshop would also be beneficial.  Our client has a number of blue-
chip customers and your role will be to work on the packaging and
branding of their products.  Due to the nature of this role any
additional experience in AppScript or Adobe Illustrator would be very
beneficial - as long as you have a good understanding of client's
requirements and can work to their needs though then these are not
essential.

Key skills required for this role are:
1. Python Development on Linux
2. Experienced Software Developer

Desirable:
1. AppScript
2. Adobe &lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Python Recruiter</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-05-22T09:30:28</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: escaping/encoding/formatting in python</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/710986</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;

On a (somewhat distantly) related note, found this old fortune:

Wouldn't the sentence 'I want to put a hyphen between the words Fish
and And and And and Chips in my Fish-And-Chips sign' have been clearer
if quotation marks had been placed before Fish, and between Fish and
and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and And, and And and
and, and and and Chips, as well as after Chips?
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>rusi</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-05-22T05:59:31</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: 2.x,3.x iOS static build: Fatal Python error: exceptionsbootstrapping error.</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/710985</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;well, I dont tested all, but at least error above was fixed by using build script from https://github.com/cobbal/python-for-iphone and patch from http://randomsplat.com/id5-cross-compiling-python-for-embedded-linux.html
&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>angeljanai&lt; at &gt;gmail.com</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-05-22T05:20:08</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: GUI toolkits and dynamic table browser widget</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/710984</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;
I have investigated Dabo.

Dabo is OK but is like a big wizard.

You fix you underlying data structure then it creates basic menus,
data entry screens, etc. The basic stuff is OK but you need change the 
underlying code to customize the screens and you are bound to use the 
classes created by the developers (you can create you own but all sorts 
of interactions can happen apparently, and although it can be done, care 
needs to be taken to avoid conflicts -- the recommendation by the 
developers to is use the existing classes whenever possible).

On top of this the project is not being developed any more. What is 
there, is what is there. The developers occasionally jump on the forums 
to propose a solution to an interesting problem but state that no 
further development will be happening. The community is still active 
however and there are a number of devotees.

Personally, when I reviewed it, I wanted to develop a different dialog 
screen and database model than what Dabo is designed to address, which 
me&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Simon Cropper</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-05-22T02:37:05</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: bash/shell to python</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/710983</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;FWIW, I do manual argument parsing, because pylint understands how to
detect typos with manual argument parsing, but not the highly dynamic
modules that parse arguments.

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Rita &amp;lt;rmorgan466&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote:

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    <dc:creator>Dan Stromberg</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-05-22T01:31:41</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: How to hide console with Popen on Windows?</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/710982</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;
I haven't tried it but this thread talks about being able to use a
standard install of Python with OpenOffice:

http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26877

&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>alex23</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-05-22T00:45:11</dc:date>
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    <title>DIR reports file timestamp and size, but os.path.getctime(),os.path.getsize() raise WindowsError [Error 5] Access is denied</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/710981</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;Wondering if any of you have stumbled across the following
behavior:

I'm doing a recursive directory listing of my Windows folder and
I can access the timestamps and file sizes of all files except
the following 6 files:

In the \windows\microsoft.net\framework\v2.0.50727\config folder:

enterprisesec.config.cch.6824.14057640
security.config.cch.6824.14057640

In the \windows\\microsoft.net\framework64\v2.0.50727\config
folder:

\enterprisesec.config.cch.4412.14151427
enterprisesec.config.cch.6912.14056844
security.config.cch.4412.14151427
security.config.cch.6912.14056844

When I attempt to do any of the following on the above files, a
WindowsError exception is raised with a value of "[Error 5]
Access is denied: ...".

os.path.getctime()
os.path.getatime()
os.path.getmtime()
os.path.getsize()

What's strange is that the DIR command from a cmd prompt returns
timestamps and file sizes for the above files.

Background; 64-bit Windows 7; 32-bit Python 2.7.2

Any ideas on how I can retrieve timestamps and file s&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>python&lt; at &gt;bdurham.com</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-05-22T00:01:59</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: GUI toolkits and dynamic table browser widget</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/710980</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;Am 19.05.2012 04:05, schrieb Simon Cropper:

So I suppose you're using Python 2 or that's acceptable for you at 
least. In this case I'd take a long look at Dabo: http://www.dabodev.com/
That's based on wxPython but easier to use and explicitly made for 
database applications. Developers and mailing list are especially 
helpful and friendly.

HTH
Sibylle




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    <dc:creator>Sibylle Koczian</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-05-21T19:35:05</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: How to hide console with Popen on Windows?</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/710979</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;
Ok, thanks for explanation.
Now I know that my 'solution' is not a solution and problem still bugs me.
Any ideas how to deal with it?

&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>xliiv</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-05-21T17:00:26</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: Good data structure for finding date intervals including a givendate</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/710978</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;

For what it's worth, my blist package (mentioned earlier in the thread)
also provides sortedlist and sorteddict classes which efficiently keep
items in sorted order.

I don't think those are enough on their own to create a efficient solution,
but they might be useful parts of an efficient solution.

More information:
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/blist
http://stutzbachenterprises.com/blist/

&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Daniel Stutzbach</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-05-21T16:46:32</dc:date>
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    <title>PyCarolinas 2012 Call For Proposals</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/710977</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;PyCarolinas 2012 Call For Proposals

PyCarolinas 2012, the first Python conference held in the carolinas,
is now accepting proposals! We’re looking for proposals for talks you
can present to this great and growing Python community.

PyCarolinas will be held in October in Chapel Hill, NC. The exact
location and dates of the two-day conference will be announced
shortly.

The proposal deadline is July 20, 2011. Please submit your proposals
to talks&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;pycarolinas.org.
About PyCarolinas 2012

PyCarolinas 2012 is the first Python Conference held in the carolinas
and will be located in Chapel Hill, NC this October. The specific date
and location will be announced shortly. It is a two day conference,
with one day of talks and one day or sprinting.
Who should submit a proposal?

Anyone! We’re looking for as broad a cross-section of the Python
community as possible.

We’re looking for both experienced conference speakers and people new
to technical conferences; industry professionals and hobbyists;
entrepreneurs, &lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Calvin Spealman</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-05-21T14:51:33</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: PyCarolinas 2012 Call For Proposals</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/710976</link>
    <description>&lt;pre&gt;CORRECTION

The proposal deadline is July 20, 2012

Not 2011, obviously.

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Calvin Spealman &amp;lt;ironfroggy&amp;lt; at &amp;gt;gmail.com&amp;gt; wrote:



&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Calvin Spealman</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-05-21T15:02:13</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: Unexpected exception thrown in __del__</title>
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    <description>&lt;pre&gt;That seems to be the answer, as replacing the call to nowI() in flush() 
with:
curTim = int (time() * 100)
fixes the problem.

Rereading the documentation, I guess that this should have been 
expected, but if nowI() were a static method of the class, would that 
have avoided the problem?  A class method?


&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
    <dc:creator>Charles Hixson</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-05-21T15:55:09</dc:date>
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