http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599949 Stef asked: />/ As a fall-back I also use EditPlus (see />/ http://www.editplus.com/index.html ). Its only for Windows /but PyScripter is also only for windows ;-) />/ a VERY GOOD text editor. It's a real shame there are NO text editors />/ with such a comprehensive and easy to modify clip library function (I />/ would be really pleased to be proven wrong on this last point :-) ). /What so great about it ? I think you would really need to try it. As I said yesterday, I find the clip library really very useful; its simple to use and easy to create/extend. Here is a short piece of clip library from a HTML clip lib: #T=Bold <b>^!</b> #T=Italic <i>^!</i> #T=Underline text <span class="underline">^!</span> #T=Superscript (end note) ^{^!} #T=Code fragment <code>^!</code> #T=Highligt text - yellow <span class="highlight">^!</span> #T=Centre text <div align="center"> ^! </div> Only the text on the line after the "T#" appears in the clip lib side panel. Double click on the text label and EditPlus inse Peter Anderson 2008-12-02T04:46:28 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599948 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list Casey McGinty 2008-12-02T04:21:13 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599947 alex23, Ok...you don't like my idea...so why keep responding? ajaksu, You insulted me and accused me of trolling, but it looks like your interested. And you also included links. I think your really on board and just can't say it yet *wink*. Thank You Aaron, I agree to disagree with you...although you make some good points... and welcome your views on Lasch's reference to the pitfalls of a Narcissistic society. At least you DO know how to engage in intelligent conversation to the benefit of both parties, and not just flame. Thank you James, By far the most positive post since Greg's. I agree with your overview and welcome your constructive criticism. Thank You friend So I would defiantly say things are starting to turn. The butterfly effect is transforming my crazy idea to garner support for a SU Python integration into maybe becoming reality. I still have hope! All i need is one or two serious people and we could do this. I know you're out there. PS hey...even alex23's post are a little less mean. Eithe r 2008-12-02T04:18:47 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599946 Only if you have one script the calls "main" (or any other entry point) in the tests. One other option is to have the python libraries on local disk, but IMO the first solution is better. HTH, -- Miki <miki.tebeka< at >gmail.com> http://pythonwise.blogspot.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list Miki 2008-12-02T03:54:54 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599945 Worst of all, it's proprietary, which makes it next to useless. Money corrupts. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list toby 2008-12-02T03:47:47 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599944 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list russ 2008-12-02T03:32:52 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599943 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list Casey McGinty 2008-12-02T03:19:42 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599942 This is my first post to this particular topic and my good friend alsex32 will know that I tend to steer away from large pointless conversation topics (for obvious reasons). < at >OP: Listen ... The best way you can support Python is to use Python. The best way you can promote Python is to encourage others to try it. Python is a fantastic language and development environment. Enough said. Just remember thought that if you threat Python like a hammer, suddenly everything will look like a bail. cheers James James Mills 2008-12-02T03:12:52 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599941 Off-topic post, defer. I'll take the summary to be true to Lasch's original. He states, "it is a culture where liberalism only exists insofar as it serves a consumer society". But liberalism serves a consumer society to a large, large extent. He states, "...and religion lose their liberating power." But religion has no liberating power. The second sentence in the second paragraph presumably states, "The threats [in such a society]...". If so, it states, In a society of constant competition, competitiveness becomes a way of life; which is trivial. "The threats to acquisitions of social symbols are so numerous, varied and frequently incomprehensible, that defensiveness, as well as competitiveness, becomes a way of life." Is the following also true? That is, the same of goods in general? The threats to acquisitions of goods (presumably durable goods) are so numerous, varied and frequently incomprehensible, that defensiveness, as well as competitiveness, becomes a way of life. If not, then define so Aaron Brady 2008-12-02T02:45:34 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599940 r, you could just calm down, stop your trolling and wait to see if more people like greg are able to see a good idea behind your awful delivery. Seriously, you're talking nonsense to people that have actively promoted, taught, developed with and helped develop Python for years. You're mistaking lack of support for your plea (to your format and Ruby-bashing, mostly) for something completely different. I wouldn't get a lot of supporters to the call of "HELP, Opera needs to support Python in webpages", and would need to be crazy(ier) to take any offense in that. So, you sound like a loony when you face that situation with a "I'll fight for FREEDOM, against all you turncoats, and I don't hate Ruby, that Satan spawn!". Just pretend to be normal a little harder (many of us do it [like me {and myself}]) and you'll be all set. I'd like to try hacking some form of Python to work in SketchUp (on top of Ruby, that is). Now, why won't I try to? I'm a Linux user and we don't get a SU version. So much for FREEDOM. BT ajaksu 2008-12-02T02:17:09 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599939 I have a linux-like host running busybox with the python installation mounted over NFS and have the corresponding symlinks setup in /usr/bin and /usr/lib for python to run smoothly. A shell script runs my python script several times, each time with different paramters. E.g. # cat foo.sh # Lot of setup stuff ${TEST_DIR}/bin/run-test.py --arg1 foo1 --arg2 bar1 --arg3 baz1 ${TEST_DIR}/bin/run-test.py --arg1 foo2 --arg2 bar2 --arg3 baz2 ${TEST_DIR}/bin/run-test.py --arg1 foo3 --arg2 bar3 --arg3 baz3 There is a delay of about 10-15 seconds before run-test.py starts executing. Can someone suggest a method to speed up this process? Most of the delay seems to be due to python loading up the required modules. Is it possible to load all the modules used by run-test.py in a pre-execution environment in order to prevent this delay? I considered a rewrite of the shell script into python, but it has too many dependencies on shell libraries and I don't want to go that route (unless an alternative solution is impossi raviforlkml< at >gmail.com 2008-12-02T01:48:22 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599938 Ah, didn't realize the cross-posted nature. comp.lang.lisp Hadn't realized he had branched out to cross-posting across five comp.langs Apologies for the double post, thought the internet had wigged out when i sent it first time. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list anonymous.c.lisper< at >gmail.com 2008-12-02T01:46:10 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599937 And not in either Python or IDLE: >>> 'test' 'test' >>> 1+1 2 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list Terry Reedy 2008-12-02T01:42:39 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599936 (nothing Java-related) Please take this crud out of the Java newsgroup. Lew 2008-12-02T01:31:17 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599935 <snip> Mathematica (and MatLab) have a few large advantages over python / scipy / sage 1- although normally the cost a huge amount of money, students gets them (almost) for nothing (reminds me of a drug dealer ;-) 2- MatLab is thé industrial standard 3- Wolfram's and Mathworks websites are a huge source of (simple) theory and examples 4- a large number of publishers only accept articles based on commercial packages like MatLab / Labview 5- they form alliances if they come too close together ( e.g. MatLab and LabView) So how does a small community like the Python / Scipy / Sage community, which it's enormous diversity / induviduality (if I don't like one tiny detail, I'll start something completely new), ever think they are going to beat those commercial packages, even if the product, is technical speaking, much better ? Well I still have some hope, the recently published MatPlotLib documentation / galery is a good example. just my 1 cent (considering there's a recession), cheers, Stef -- http:/ Stef Mientki 2008-12-02T01:30:25 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599934 Just out of curiosity, what do you consider "this" newsgroup, given its wide crossposting? Lew 2008-12-02T01:29:44 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599933 Right. Like we're going to take lessons in "community" from someone who has done nothing to understand the one he's currently antagonising. I sincerely hope you choke on it. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list alex23 2008-12-02T01:12:27 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599932 Not if you use IPython: IPython 0.8.1 -- An enhanced Interactive Python. ? -> Introduction to IPython's features. %magic -> Information about IPython's 'magic' % functions. help -> Python's own help system. object? -> Details about 'object'. ?object also works, ?? prints more. In [1]: def prnt(x): print x ...: In [2]: prnt "test" ------> prnt("test") test In [3]: prnt 1+1 ------> prnt(1+1) 2 Not to mention the endless "Which should I use, print or print()?" questions this list would get. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list alex23 2008-12-02T01:09:26 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599931 Jon Harrop: Is so wide cross-posting positive? This is a Python newsgroup, you will find less lovers of static typing here :-) Your Mathematica code is cute, but surely Mathematica isn't designed for that kind of "programing". It's more for symbolic processing or to perform few operations in a very flexible way, so it's more for research and *exploration* and visualization; while more normal programming languages are more to compute a lot of things when you already know what you are doing. You can write versions for Python, Psyco, ShedSkin, too, if you want. Bye, bearophile -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list bearophileHUGS< at >lycos.com 2008-12-02T01:09:20 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599930 Is that any different than Neal's "if it's only used inside"? It's not a rule; it's just what I expect after many years of programming Python and reading lots of Python code. Most people define functions at the top-level regardless of whether they are used once or not. Defining a function inside of a function is an oddity. Lexical scoping requires that you define a function inside of a function, so that is always my first assumption about why the author defined the function there. I only fall back to "the author just wanted to organize things in a different way" when I fail to find the lexically-scoped variables, or I see a comment explaining it. I'm pretty sure that lexical scoping (and its poor-man implementation via keyword arguments before) is what the def-in-a-def feature was for, not organization. As Neal has observed, there is a performance hit for creating functions inside of another function. Every time you go through the outer function, you are creating new function objects for all o Robert Kern 2008-12-02T01:06:24 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/599929 Mathematica has some powerful symbolic processing capabilities, for example the integrals, etc. It also contains many powerful algorithms, often written in few lines of code. And its graphic capabilities are good. It also shows some surprising ways to integrate and manipulate data, for example here you can see how you can even put images into formulas, to manipulate them: http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/ref/ImageApply.html So when you need an algorithm, you can often find it already inside, for example in the large Combinatorics package. So it has WAY more batteries included, compared to Python. I'd like to see something as complete as that Combinatorics package in Python. But while the editor of (oldish) Mathematica is good to quickly input formulas (but even for this I have found way better things, for example the editor of GraphEQ www.peda.com/grafeq/ that is kilometers ahead), it's awful for writing *programs* even small 10-line ones. Even notepad seems better for this. For normal programmin bearophileHUGS< at >lycos.com 2008-12-02T01:02:17 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.comp.python.general