gmane.comp.lang.xaml.general

Reminder: XAML Group Folded Back Into xul-talk List

geraldbauer2005 — 2005-11-18T18:25:36

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XAML Group Folded Back Into xul-talk List - Please Update Your Bookmarks

geraldbauer2005 — 2005-10-30T21:52:48

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SVG Open 2006 Conference Organizer Discuss XAML Coverage

geraldbauer2005 — 2005-09-19T17:54:21

Hello, The SVG Open 2006 Conference organizer have setup a public mailinglist for planning and coordinating the upcoming conference on all things XML held in Victoria, British Columbia. Kurt Cagle - the conference chair - writes on XAML: Trying to figure out where to put XAML has long been one of the more challenging parts of this puzzle - I tend, like Antoine, to be leery about necessarily giving XAML too large a space, but at the same time recognize that in this part of the world especially, Microsoft is an important player and should not be excluded entirely from the discussion. I want to stress that to me, there are three fundamental aspects that define SVG technology that should be used as reasonable criteria in evaluating whether a given alternative technology should be given air time -- 1) Is the technology in question an open standard? In other words, is the technology freely implementable by others without licensing fees or membership in a particular company's for fee developer network?

Microsoft Announces XAML-Browser Plugin For Apple's Safari and other Browsers

geraldbauer2005 — 2005-09-14T03:11:56

Hello, Ben Galbraith writes in the blog story titled "Avalon Everywhere? Cross-platform Microsoft?": Another interesting announcement here at PDC is that Microsoft is creating a subset of their cool, fancy pants UI layer (formerly code-named Avalon, now WPF) on other platforms, including the Mac! In fact, one of the demos involved showing vector graphics rendered in Safari using a Microsoft plug-in. This subset, called WPF/E, will be powered by XAML (their XML dialect for representing the UI) and JavaScript. Sound familiar? Yes, that's right Microsoft also announced a Dashboard clone for Windows Vista. Interesting Microsoft will never port .NET to other major operating systems, but to have a subset of Avalon available on other platforms is a bit of a curveball. In fact, in light of Firefox and Safari's upcoming support of SVG and Canvas (and in the future, 3D functionality), this move makes sense; Microsoft wants to provide their own proprietary solution to cut off this new cross-platform ini

O'Reilly Book on XAML Upcoming in October

geraldbauer2005 — 2005-09-13T01:50:21

Hello, allow me to highlight the upcoming O'Reilly book on all things XAML titled "Programming Windows Presentation Foundation" by Chris Sells and Ian Griffiths. Find out more < at > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/avalon/toc.html If you know any other upcoming books on XAML, please let us know. - Gerald ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/nhFolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> _________________________________________ United XAML | http://unitedxaml.org XAML Forum & News | http://xamlnews.com

XAML Editor

softwareman4life — 2005-09-09T04:00:02

I am pleased to offer you a text editor that you may use to create XAML files. I created the program as a part of my senior project for my BS degree. It is still a work in progress but works. It can be downloaded from http://lcbell4.tripod.com/SeniorProject/Senior_Project_XAML_Editor.htm If you have any comments about the software just send me an email. You are encouraged to make a donation for the software as listed on the web site and in the software. Lawrence (Larry) C. Bell softwareman4life< at >yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/nhFolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> _________________________________________ United XAML | http://unitedxaml.org XAML Forum & News | http://xamlnews.com

New CSS-like XAML Syntax for Styling Introduced In Windows Vista - Comments?

geraldbauer2005 — 2005-08-12T20:45:14

Hello, With the latest Windows Vista/WinFX release Microsoft has updated its XAML styling syntax to use a CSS-like notation. In the "A Hitchhiker's Guide to the Windows Presentation Foundation Beta 1 Release" Tim Sneath writes: The styling model in Avalon has been refactored in this release. Styles no longer contain instances of the controls inside them, but instead include property setters and getters. The new format is slightly more verbose but offers somewhat greater flexibility. The following sample shows the new syntax for setting a style: Source: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnlong/html/hgtobeta1.asp Any thoughts? Any comments? - Gerald ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ------

Google-sponsored Open Source XAML Compiler (XAMLC) for Mono In Progress

Gerald Bauer — 2005-07-13T03:28:39

Hello, Iain McCoy is currently creating an open source XAML compiler (XAMLC) for the Mono project thanks to the sponsorship of Google's Open Source Summer of Code 2005 initiative. See http://www.mono-project.com/Summer2005#XAML_compiler for details. If anyone knows details about the project, please let us know. - Gerald PS: If anyone thinks creating a XAML compiler/parser is rocket science, check out Marc Clifton's article titled "MycroXAML - A Declarative Xml Parser In Less Than 300 Lines Of Code" online < at > http://xaml.sourceforge.net/mycroxaml.html _________________________________________ United XAML | http://unitedxaml.org XAML Forum & News | http://xamlnews.com

Sitecore - Commercial Content management system built using XAML

Gerald Bauer — 2005-06-24T02:29:13

Hello, The Sitecore website states: Sitecore V5 is the first content management system in the world to support and use the XAML concept. XAML is an abstraction of the user interface that allows easy integration and reuse of small building blocks, for instance html fragments and web-controls on the web platform and Windows form-controls on the Windows platform. XAML is device independent, toolable, easy to read and write, and separates UI from code logic. Moreover, combined with the Sitecore discoverable API, and extensive libraries of XAML and web- controls, development times can be slashed radically. And Lars Fløe Nielsen - a Solution Architect for Sitecore - writes in a newsgroup posting: You are almost right regarding the support for the XAML concept. However, Sitecore does support real XAML. We implemented a XAML parser that converts XAML to .NET, as you are quite right that the Longhorn (and hence the WinFX) hasn't been released yet. The parser supports most of the XAML model w

XAMJ 0.91 Is Out - Open Source XAML Alternative

Gerald Bauer — 2005-06-06T19:16:40

XAMJ is an XML language designed as an open-source, Java-based alternative to Microsoft's .NET-based XAML, plus as a way to address many of the shortcomings of HTML/Javascript. Warrior is the prototype browser for XAMJ. This release focuses on improvements in deployability, reliability and completeness. Home Page: http://html.xamjwg.org Donwload : http://html.xamjwg.org/download.jsp SF Page : http://sourceforge.net/projects/xamj The list of changes follows: - Windows: Now adding .xamj file mapping during installation of Warrior. This allows Windows users to double-click .xamj files directly (works just as if it were an interpreted language, even though it's compiled -- we just need to add caching to make it fast.) Note, however, that clicking on .xamj links in Internet Explorer causes the .xamj file to be downloaded by IE, then passed to Warrior as a file, which will break relative URLs contained in the .xamj file. We might have to add another kind of file, such as .xamjlnk that contains the actu

XTech 2005 Slide Deck On MSXAML By Microsoft Spec Owner Online

Gerald Bauer — 2005-05-26T22:41:44

Hello, You can find Rob Relyea's slide deck on XAML online in the XTech 2005 conference proceedings section. See http://idealliance.org/proceedings/xtech05 for details. - Gerald PS: Find out more about XTech 2005 < at > http://www.xtech.org _________________________________________ United XAML | http://unitedxaml.org XAML Forum & News | http://xamlnews.com

Brad Fults on Microsoft's Non-Response About XAML Licensing and Portability

Gerald Bauer — 2005-05-26T21:08:29

Hello, Brad Fults comments: To be sure we understand the dialog that has been going back and forth, Gervase nailed down three points on which XUL is seemingly better than XAML either through interpretation from Rob Relyea's XTech presentation or lack of explanation from Relyea and Microsoft. Rob Relyea said he "replied" with his blog post, but if you read his post and the comments, it's plain to see that he simply confirmed two of Gervase's points (portability, licensing) and provided absolutely no further illumination about the remaining point (localization). In my humble opinion, this kind of dodging stinks of dubious salesmanship and should be left to Microsoft's PR department; not to its developers when speaking with the world developer community. Instead of addressing or refuting any of Gervase's points, Rob simply said "Hey, Avalon will be awesome for Windows!", something that can be expected from a shady vacuum cleaner salesman. In general, if you don't have a rebuttal to an argume

Microsoft XAML Spec Owner Responds to XTech2005 XUL vs XAML Posting

Gerald Bauer — 2005-05-26T21:00:48

Hello, Rob Relyea - the Microsoft XAML spec owner - writes: Gervase Markham is attending XTech, an XML focused conference in Amsterdam. He attended my talk on Avalon/XAML and had some comments. In this post, I'll address the first of his three comments. Avalon's Motivation Gervase said: "The motivation behind XAML seems to be to make it easy to write Windows applications, or web applications in IE." Our goal is not JUST to make it easier to build today's applications...I'll try to clarify. Avalon will: 1) Be the new presentation platform for Windows We are building a new presentation platform for Windows that enables a whole new generation of applications. It is called Avalon. It will run on Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, and Windows "Longhorn". Today's Windows applications will continue to run compatibly. We are working with software developers from around the world to help them build great new applications that can benefit from the new capabilities Avalon offers. Many d

MyXAML 2.0 Available For Download

Gerald Bauer — 2005-05-26T02:21:40

Hello, Marc Clifton writes in the blog story titled "MyXaml 2.0 Release 05-25-05 Available For Download": I am releasing an updated preview version of MyXaml 2.0 which corrects a few minor problems: o event late binding now works o MyXamlAutoInitialize now works for all element instances in the object graph o string values can now be assigned to properties of type object and also supports the custom property hook that I discussed in my previous post. You can download the latest version here. Note that the download is simply a zip package of the MyXaml 2.0 development directory, rather than a complete installer with examples, etc. Source: http://myxaml.com/marcclifton/archive/2005/05/25/1966.aspx - Gerald _________________________________________ United XAML | http://unitedxaml.org XAML Forum & News | http://xamlnews.com

Mozilla Guy On XAML vs XUL

Gerald Bauer — 2005-05-25T18:12:38

Hello, Gervase Markham (a Mozilla employee) writes in the blog story titled "XAML and XUL": I just attended sequential talks on XAML (from Rob Relyea of Microsoft) and XUL (from Ben Goodger, Firefox Lead Developer) at the XTech conference. One could argue about whether and how these technologies are in competition, but what struck me most were the differences in focus, approach and design philosophy, which I would summarise as exclusivity vs. inclusivity. Portability. The motivation behind XAML seems to be to make it easy to write Windows applications, or web applications in IE. The motivation behind XUL was to provide a first class UI on every platform without having to do the work multiple times - i.e. "we want to be inclusive; let's work out how we can do that". Localisation. The XUL system is designed to be very easy to localise, and Ben made a point of mentioning it. Firefox 1.0 is available in 40 languages, localised entirely by volunteers. No mention was made of localisation in the

Microsoftie Opens XAML Wiki Site < at > xamlshare.com

Gerald Bauer — 2005-05-17T01:22:58

Hello, Adam Nathan (a Microsoft employee working on WinFX) writes in the blog story titled "A new XAML wiki: XAMLshare.com": Could wikis be the solution to all the world's problems? Probably not, but I've created another one anyway. It's called XAMLshare. I'm starting to see folks share MSXAML samples on their blogs (myself included), and thought, "Wouldn't it be nice to have a central repository of samples?" So there you go. Unlike pinvoke.net, I'm unable to jump-start it with tons of content. I "XAMLshared" my playing card samples, but hopefully Nathan, Sean, and other people will start contributing their awesome samples, too! I imagine that page naming could become tricky, as we might end up with a list like: CoolButton CoolButton2 CoolButton3 CoolerButton ... But hopefully people can come up with descriptive (or at least unique) names for their controls, like "WoodenButton", "WoodenListBox", etc. that cross-reference each other. I've also created a "Themes" category so someone

Microsoftie Responds To MyXAML Lead's MSXAML Critique

Gerald Bauer — 2005-05-11T17:53:03

Hello, John Gossman (Microsoft) writes in the blog story titled "XAML comments by Mr. Clifton": His comments are right on, a sensible end note to the more confrontationl tone of the thread he refers to. We struggled for a long time over somewhat conflicting visions of XAML: as a declarative UI programming language, as a more general serialization mechanism, or as a document format. Simiilarly we agonized over whether to be optimized for hand or machine processing. It still isn't completely over: I was talking to customers recently and a debate broke out over whether XAML should even be human readable, in particular over whether a designer should ever show it. A show of hands found half of the room felt it was mandatory that XAML be displayed by the designer, and half were vehemently against ever looking at the stuff. At the end of the day, XAML is just a tool. You can program Avalon just fine from the language of your choice (Python anyone?) and never see XAML. You can write your ow

On the new

Gerald Bauer — 2005-05-10T19:55:41

Hello, Stefano Mazzocchi (of Apache Cocoon fame) writes in the blog story titled "On the new

Poll results for xaml-talk

2005-04-29T02:03:26

The following xaml-talk poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: What XAML tools & libraries have you used? CHOICES AND RESULTS - MyXAML, 4 votes, 40.00% - MycroXAML, 3 votes, 30.00% - MSXAML (Windows XP Edition), 0 votes, 0.00% - MSXAML (Windows 2007 Edition), 0 votes, 0.00% - Xamlon (Flash Edition), 0 votes, 0.00% - Xamlon (Windows Forms Edition), 1 votes, 10.00% - Windows Forms Markup Language (WFML), 0 votes, 0.00% - Other (Please Post Your Comments To The List), 2 votes, 20.00% For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xaml-talk For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ _________________________________________ United XAML | http://unitedxaml.org XAML Forum & News | http://xamlnews.com

NXmlUI - Open Source #Develop XML forms distro

Gerald Bauer — 2005-04-27T19:10:37

Hello, Alexey A. Popov has created a distro/project for the XML forms support built into SharpDevelop (#Develop) called NXmlUI. You can grab the sources and examples online < at > http://sourceforge.net/projects/ nxmlui - Gerald PS: In case you wonder what NXmlUI XML forms look like. Here's a sample: