http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13987 <pre> You are probably better off asking this question on the Tkinter mailing list or comp.lang.py--this list is focused on the core development of Tcl/Tk, not on general user inquiries, especially when their focus is a language besides Tcl (Python). </pre> Kevin Walzer 2012-05-16T13:24:18 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13986 <pre>Donal K. Fellows skrev 2012-05-15 12.33: I was thinking that it might be good to be able to sort out the dictionary business /before/ having to worry about pieces of decompressed data. Concretely, set stream [zlib stream decompress] $stream put $data try {$stream get 0} trap {TCL ZLIB NEED_DICT} {} { $stream get -dictionary $DictTable([$stream checksum]) 0 } while {![$stream eof]} { set block [$stream get 128] ... } seems less convoluted than set stream [zlib stream decompress] $stream put $data try { set block [$stream get 128] } trap {TCL ZLIB NEED_DICT} {} { set block [$stream get -dictionary $DictTable([$stream checksum]) 128] } while 1 { ... if {[$stream eof]} break set block [$stream get 128] } If the zlib library is not documented to do something useful in that case, I can imagine having a special case in the implementation of [$stream get] for it (checking an integer argument for being 0 is quite straight</pre> Lars Hellström 2012-05-16T09:08:51 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13985 <pre>I am trying to compile python but its keep missing Tk support (Tkinter module). Has anyone compiled this before? Are you using any special flags? Here is what I am doing. wget http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tcl/tcl8.5.11-src.tar.gz wget http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tcl/tk8.5.11-src.tar.gz tar -xzpf tcl8.5.11-src.tar.gz &amp;&amp; tar -xzpf tk8.5.11-src.tar.gz #compile tcl cd tcl8.5.11/unix/ ./configure --prefix=/tmp/testdir --enable-64bit --enable-threads make make test make install #compile tk cd tk8.5.11/unix/ ./configure --prefix=/tmp/testdir --enable-threads --enable-64-bit --with-tcl=/tmp/testdir/lib make make install #compile python wget http://www.python.org/ftp/python/2.7.3/Python-2.7.3.tgz tar -xzpvf Python-2.7.3.tgz cd Python-2.7.3/ ./configure --prefix=/tmp/testdir --enable-shared LDFLAGS="-Wl,-rpath,/tmp/testdir/lib" But, when I try to import it I get this ... import _tkinter # if this fails your Python may not be configured for Tk ImportError: No module named _tkinter Is there anyt</pre> Rita 2012-05-16T10:28:59 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13984 <pre> Yes. Internally, the stream data is stored in compressed form in both directions. I'm not sure what getting zero-length content would do though; it might end up returning with no action taken. That sounds very reasonable. Donal. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/_______________________________________________ Tcl-Core mailing list Tcl-Core-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-core </pre> Donal K. Fellows 2012-05-15T10:33:18 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13983 <pre> TIP#106: YES Donal. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/_______________________________________________ Tcl-Core mailing list Tcl-Core-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-core </pre> Donal K. Fellows 2012-05-15T10:29:06 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13982 <pre> TIP#106: YES Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ </pre> Jeff Hobbs 2012-05-13T17:00:13 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13981 <pre>This is a Call For Votes on TIP #106. It allows more control on how data is sent ([dde request] or [dde poke]) to other applications which don't use utf-8, as Tcl does. Details at: http://www.tcl.tk/cgi-bin/tct/tip/106.html Votes should be sent to this list in the usual format. Close date will be midday UK time next Monday (i.e., clock format 1337601600). My vote follows: TIP #106: YES Regards, Jan Nijtmans ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ </pre> Jan Nijtmans 2012-05-13T15:33:07 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13980 <pre>Am 11.05.2012 15:13, schrieb Jan Nijtmans: So lets go. I am 200% satisfied and positive to the work. Thank you, Harald ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ </pre> Harald Oehlmann 2012-05-11T13:42:13 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13979 <pre>2012/5/11 Harald Oehlmann &lt;harald.oehlmann-pz0NOyBm9rYb1SvskN2V4Q&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt;: No, it doesn't, so let's go for TIP 106. The real solution to make dde encoding-less would be to implement CF_UNICODETEXT, which is out-of-scope of this TIP. But when we do that, we will need a fallback mechanism anyway, and then this "-binary" option does exactly what is wanted. #473946 and #3525762 are bugs in dde, but are not related to this TIP. This TIP, which handles the sending of data by Tcl, is related to #227482 and #219185, which handle receiving data. Peter Hardie's patch, as mentioned in the TIP, was the addition of -binary to [dde request], which is already in the core since 8.4 beta. That's probably why the patch cannot be found any more. However, the implementation of "-binary" for [dde execute] and [dde poke] was not 100% symmetrical with #227482/#219185, the problem was the closing '\0'. I took the freedom to fix this in the tip-106-impl branch. And the dde version is updated to 1.4.0. Any further impr</pre> Jan Nijtmans 2012-05-11T13:13:55 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13978 <pre>Am 11.05.2012 09:29, schrieb Jan Nijtmans: Dear Jan, thank you for all the work in this field. My answer to the question: I am not shure... I have to build-up a test setup. Nevertheless, all other commands have this switch and they are identical. So the question is: - does this modification render -binary obsolete for all commands? If yes -&gt; well, make the switches do nothing (code cleanup)? If no -&gt; implement TIP 106 (which basicly does the same thing for all dde commands). My patch was written for Windows 98 where "-binary" was necessary when the ANSI-API was used. I will come back to this in two weeks, if there is no better answer from someone else. Thank you, Harald ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats.</pre> Harald Oehlmann 2012-05-11T08:49:33 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13977 <pre>2012/5/7 Harald Oehlmann &lt;harald.oehlmann-pz0NOyBm9rYb1SvskN2V4Q&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt;: Well, bug #473946 and #3525762 show otherwise. The first is fixed now in all branches, and I'm currently investigating the second one. Do those two use cases cover everything you had in mind as motivation for TIP #106? In other words: Does fixing bug #3525762 render TIP #106 useless? Regards, Jan Nijtmans ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ </pre> Jan Nijtmans 2012-05-11T07:29:29 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13976 <pre>2012/5/10 Brian Griffin &lt;brian_griffin-nmGgyN9QBj3QT0dZR+AlfA&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt;: In my view, this is THE right decision for them. Thet provide a UNIX-like environment, and their cygwin port of Tcl/Tk should be like that. This is another thing: In order to build a win32 version of Tcl/Tk, a UNIX-like shell is needed. This can be cygwin or msys, both work fine now, each has it advantage/disadvantages. Cygwin is bigger, but easier to set up. But this is independant of what version of Tcl is produced: cygwin or win32. Cygwin cannot produce a win32 version of Tcl, neither can msys alone. But in combination with the mingw or mingw-w64 tools both cygwin and msys can produce proper win32 executables, just as MSVC. I don't thing that the TCT should recommend or sanction any environment. Tcl/Tk should simply work in any environment where people want it to work. Cygwin was sanctioned in the past because no-one wanted to maintain al the cygwin-specific changes in the win directory. Finally they made the right choice</pre> Jan Nijtmans 2012-05-10T20:00:34 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13975 <pre> +1 BitKeeper has done the same thing. </pre> Larry McVoy 2012-05-10T17:56:41 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13974 <pre> I understand. My reaction stems from my vitriol for cygwin. Thanks, -Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ </pre> Brian Griffin 2012-05-10T17:14:00 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13973 <pre> cygwin manages their stuff separately from the core, and isn't a TCT managed platform. They have provided patches over time that have been integrated. I don't see the issue with this though, given that it fits with the cygwin premise of providing all their tools on a truly unix-emulated infrastructure for Windows. The same is already true of other languages in the cygwin toolset, thus making a more cohesive whole for cygwin. Personally I've moved to msys for the lighter weight integration of unix tools on Windows. I use ssh, make and gcc (mingw) all fine in a DOS prompt. Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ </pre> Jeff Hobbs 2012-05-10T17:06:42 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13972 <pre>Is anyone in the CORE aware of this change? [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: Tcl/Tk 8.5.11 . From: "Yaakov (Cygwin/X)" &lt;yselkowitz at users dot sourceforge dot net&gt; . To: cygwin at cygwin dot com . Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 03:07:23 -0600 . Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: Tcl/Tk 8.5.11 . Reply-to: cygwin at cygwin dot com . Reply-to: The Cygwin Mailing List &lt;cygwin at cygwin dot com&gt; ________________________________________ Tcl/Tk has been updated to 8.5.11 with the following important changes: * Tcl now uses *NIX APIs and will behave like other Cygwin programs with regards to filename paths, etc. The consequence is that tcl_platform(platform) == "unix" (from: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.cygwin/132371) I hope this isn't a core sanctioned changed. -Brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions </pre> Brian Griffin 2012-05-10T16:59:14 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13971 <pre>Trevor Davel (Twylite) skrev 2012-05-10 18.12: All those who know to brace their [expr]essions? (It's exactly the same idea.) Yes, but it would need to act on two words together. That's difficult if a macro is triggered by a prefix on one word. Especially if you also think that macros should be chainable. One could argue that what you really should have defined is [nicelambda] and [proc-from-lambda]. Lars Hellström ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ </pre> Lars Hellström 2012-05-10T16:43:56 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13970 <pre>Hi, On 2012/05/10 05:38 PM, Lars Hellström wrote: Aside: Ah yes, {$c}. How many developers do you think would get that right first time around? Compare to how many will only learn of the fault 6 debug-hours after c is set to "[exit]". This construct is horribly easy to misuse. Let me contribute a different example of the potential utility of macros: I have a helper function "niceargs" that rewrites the arglist and body of a proc to support optional and variadic arguments at any position in the arglist. You could typically call it like this: ========== proc myproc {*}[niceargs {a {b10} args c} { puts "a=$a,b=$b,c=$c,args=[join $args ,]" }] ========== Because this relies on the expand operator {*} there is (to my knowledge) no more Tcl'ish way to write it. A macro could (perhaps) smooth the syntax. I realise of course that I could simply define ::niceproc, but that doesn't help if I am chaining multiple proc-rewriting filters of this sort. Regards, Twylite --------------------</pre> Trevor Davel (Twylite 2012-05-10T16:12:17 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13969 <pre>Gustaf Neumann skrev 2012-05-10 10.55: I see. Well, let me then stress the point that TIP#401 is not about bolting on anything as (conceptually) heavy as a macro processor. On the contrary, it tries very hard to introduce as little new syntax and semantics as possible. On fexpr: Interesting, I'll have to read that more carefully later. An initial impression is however it looks very much like we have that already (and have had it forever); something that can act on arguments before evaluating them, and needs to explicitly call an evaluator to have arguments evaluated -- isn't that just how control structures in Tcl has worked from the very beginning? So the {**}[ ... ] you're looking for may in fact be { ... }! Certainly an argument for that is that macros generally work best (tends to have the greatest range of applications within a language) if expanding a macro is syntactically indistinguishable from invoking an ordinary command (in Tcl, in C it would rather be to call a function). In langua</pre> Lars Hellström 2012-05-10T15:38:33 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13968 <pre>Donal K. Fellows skrev 2012-05-10 14.53: When one tries to read decompressed data from the stream, I hope? (Perhaps [$stream get 0] can be useful as a special case to test whether decompression is possible, without actually getting any data.) Seems a reasonable API that a -dictionary option to [$stream get] sets the dictionary first, then tries to decompress. In case you're looking for ideas. Just as long as the matter isn't forgotten. Lars Hellström ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ _______________________________________________ Tcl-Core mailing list Tcl-Core&lt; at &gt;lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-core </pre> Lars Hellström 2012-05-10T13:11:10 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core/13967 <pre> I'm proposing to have it so that, if that's true, you get a Tcl error with an error code of {TCL ZLIB NEED_DICT}. At that point, you'll be able to use [$strm checksum] to find what the checksum of the required dictionary is, and some API (not yet specified, alas) to supply the compression dictionary. Remember, the TIP is not yet finished... Donal. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/_______________________________________________ Tcl-Core mailing list Tcl-Core-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-core </pre> Donal K. Fellows 2012-05-10T12:53:07 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.comp.lang.tcl.core