http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1050 The site is about Squeak, not about OS. I've been running Macs since 1988 and have a fine collection in my basement. I still have a working OS X box and an OS 9 laptop box that my daughter uses. My sons both run Ubuntu daily. My wife runs Windows. I mostly use my laptop from work running Windows. I run Squeak on all of them. Often the same image (the old Mac laptop is the exception). Now if you wanted a reason to favor Mac, Squeak's history traces through Apple Smalltalk (and some of the GUI still has some Mac-isms that go back to something like System 6 or earlier (before we started calling it OS anything). The reason to list Windows first is probably because that is the most frequently downloaded. The pro Mac and anti-Windows stuff makes no sense to me at all. Most companies are incredibly closed when they have the dominant position (Apple iTunes) and more open when they aren't (IBM). Most are quite schizophrenic in this regard with some groups within the company being more open and others more closed David Mitchell 2008-08-29T12:45:48 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1049 Being a pragmatist, I think it would be better to get a survey from the rest of the community or get download statistics and list them in order of popularity. I don't really care what the hardware or OS is; Squeak is it's own environment that turns everything below it into a replaceable commodity. Gulik. Michael van der Gulik 2008-08-29T00:28:35 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1048 Yes, anyone will have its own account. I'm currently full in preparation for ESUG, so this will take for a day or so. Best regards JAnko Janko Mivšek 2008-08-22T17:57:05 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1047 I see our old logins don't work. Will they be added? Brad Fuller 2008-08-22T17:43:44 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1046 Yes, looks like it replaces the old site. RE: menu names -- I never thought of what Brad brings up, but it makes sense. RE: download box -- upon first entering the site, there was a link for the Linux download that took me to the download page, but after clicking on it I now see Windows, Mac, and Others in the download box. I can't get it to go back to showing a link for Linux. RE: favicon -- the white background-ed Squeak looks fine to me. What do you think it needs to be? On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Brad Fuller <bradallenfuller-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote: Jason Rogers 2008-08-22T02:04:31 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1045 looks good I always wished that we could use another text for the menu other than the page title. That way, we could choose an appropriate short title. _______________________________________________ Webteam mailing list Webteam-bD51WKytQuJI8mQ4nJOOf3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA< at >public.gmane.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/webteam Brad Fuller 2008-08-21T21:51:17 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1044 Thanks Janko. I will look < at > it this weekend. On 8/21/08, Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek-E3fUNmXwn2NDlGyqqv13OA< at >public.gmane.org> wrote: Jason Rogers 2008-08-21T20:45:26 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1043 Dear all, Together with Ken Causey we managed to install new Aida/Scribo based website and I already migrated all except one or two pages and now you are welcome to comment it: http://new.squeak.org What is still not ok so far: - menu on the left is not working correctly yet (indentation, names) - favicon needs to be changed - linux link in download box should point to a real file I'm going to ESUG next week so I won't be available much, but if you comment it during that time, it will be just nice so that we can finish migration the first week in September. Best regards Janko Janko Mivšek 2008-08-21T20:11:20 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1042 Sorry guys, I have indeed been away for a while (funeral, work travel, and vacation). While I like Pier and I liked what I saw from Lukas, I think that Janko's advances have proven to be a good replacement (not that Pier isn't, but Lukas hasn't had the time/energy/desire to build it out as Janko and team). My main concern is that we have someone who is willing and able to keep the site up-to-date, regardless of the technology. If Aida/Scribo is what enthuses someone to do that so be it. If Pier makes someone want to fill that role, fine with me. At this point it seems to me that Janko has won out. -- Jason On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 6:02 AM, karl ramberg <karlramberg-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote: Jason Rogers 2008-08-08T12:44:16 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1041 I don't have a strong opinion either way. Smallwiki we have now have issues with accented chars and is hard to use with pictures so it would be nice to have a platform that improved those issues On 8/5/08, Brad Fuller <bradallenfuller-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote: karl ramberg 2008-08-06T10:02:42 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1040 My personal preference, as stated before, was that since we are all about Squeak, we should utilize Squeak on the website to show it's unique capabilities. That said, that reduces our options considerably to Seaside, Smallwiki, Aida/Scribo, etc. However, my input is that if there is something better that we should consider, please propose it - although it would have to be far superior, in my mind, to overcome the fact that we are here to promote Squeak and Smalltalk. As I stated in a semi-private email, I still consider Seaside/Pier a contender, and I still think it's the best choice. Brad Fuller 2008-08-04T22:21:49 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1039 Janko> Seaside/Pier proposal was later withdrawn by author so now only Aida/Web Janko> proposal is still in game. At this point, since nobody else stepped up in the interim after your announcement and my announcement, I don't see any reason not to just go ahead with plans to migrate the server to AIDA. As in, I'm willing to make that recommendation to the board on wednesday, and I suspect there'll be little or no opposition. Randal L. Schwartz 2008-08-04T22:19:45 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1038 Hi guys, We set end of July for decision about technology for Squeak website. Ok, we are not so late yet :) We started the choosing the technology back in April, having then two competing proposals, one Seaisde/Pier and other Aida/Scribo based. Main goal was set to make a replica of current website and provide a better spamless Contact Us page. That way proposals shown its technical features and specially a community behind and its willingness for long-term maintenance of the website. Seaside/Pier proposal was later withdrawn by author so now only Aida/Web proposal is still in game. I'm opening now a discussion which should end in final decision and then upgrade of the site. Please be constructive, realistic and polite. I'm also stepping down temporary as team leader and discuss as proposer, to avoid "conflict of interest" as much as possible. Best regards Janko webteam leader Janko Mivšek 2008-08-04T21:59:25 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1037 Hello all, I'm just working on Contact Us form: http://squeaksite.aidaweb.si/ContactUs/ On form a type of message can be selected and so far I see next possible types: ^#( 'newbie question' 'technical question' 'suggestion, comment' 'for Squeak community' 'for website maintainers' 'for Squeak Leadership') 6 so far, so we cannot add much more. Have you idea what types should be? Which one to add, rename, remove, merge..? Which one should be default? 'suggestion, comment'? Janko Janko Mivšek 2008-07-30T12:29:58 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1036 use squeak/viewpoints - the swiki has been password protected to fight spam. HTH Matthias On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 10:30 PM, J. Lewis Muir <muir-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote: Matthias Berth 2008-07-29T10:00:39 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1035 Hello. I clicked the edit button at the top of http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak to make some minor fixes to the page, but I was asked for a username and password. How do I get an account to be able to make changes to the Squeak Swiki? Thanks, Lewis J. Lewis Muir 2008-07-26T20:30:49 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1033 Why just not support both ways and put point in this discussion? :) 2008/7/18 Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek< at >eranova.si>: Igor Stasenko 2008-07-18T21:49:56 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1032 _______________________________________________ Webteam mailing list Webteam-bD51WKytQuJI8mQ4nJOOf3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA< at >public.gmane.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/webteam nico 2008-07-18T15:37:11 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1031 Just want to mention that the webteam requires skills to maintain both sides: the content and any update/bugs/special-enhancements to the image on the server. _______________________________________________ Webteam mailing list Webteam-bD51WKytQuJI8mQ4nJOOf3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA< at >public.gmane.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/webteam Brad Fuller 2008-07-18T14:44:37 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1030 I just compared SmallWiki vs. Scribo page adding: SmallWiki: *New Page* Scribo: [New Page] or explicit Urls: SmallWiki: *New Page>NewPage* Scribo: [New Page>NewPage] or external Urls: SmallWiki: *External>http://www.external.org* Scribo: [External>http://www.external.org] As you can see, actually the same way, and even that can be adjusted in Scribo to be exactly the same. SmallWiki has a separate Contents page, where you can also add and remove pages. This is missing in Scribo right now, but it will be there soon. SmallWiki has also an explicit hierarchy (with special pages called Folders) while Scribo intentionally don't have explicit page hierarchy. But you can implicitly set page hierarchy in explicit URl: [Installation>/Documentation/Installation]. It is true that we need to support automatic creation of hierarchical subpages better. I'm just working on that. About adding other resources: Scribo has a full and really powerful image adding support in rich text editor. I Janko Mivšek 2008-07-18T09:13:45 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam/1029 Hi Matthew, Speaking as proposer: let me start answering you part by part, because discussion on every your point separately is important. >>From what I have seen of Scribo, it is not intended for people > who have ever used a wiki before, but for business people who > live and breathe word, and cannot imagine a markup language. I > don't like it's rich text editor, and much prefer a simple wiki > markup system, regardless of syntax. This dilemma I actually had by myself when starting developing Scribo precedesor 5 years ago. We started with Wiki markup (which is still possible in Scribo) but end users just don't like it. Yes, those end users are secretaries etc, definitively not programmers. But let we ask ourself about our user base. Who will be authors of content of squeak.org in the future? As you know the plan is to broaden author base so that all subcommunities will maintain its part of website by their own. When you broaden author base you can soon expect unfamiliarity with Wiki mar Janko Mivšek 2008-07-18T08:35:42 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam