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RE: Re: [Box-Admins] Re: [squeak-dev] Updating the website (was :Squeak 4.4 download link on squeak.org home page?)

Ken Causey — 2013-03-08T14:28:58

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Subject: Re: [Box-Admins] Re: [squeak-dev] Updating the website (was :Squeak 4.4 download link on squeak.org home page?)
From: Janko Mivšek<janko.mivsek-E3fUNmXwn2NDlGyqqv13OA< at >public.gmane.org>
Date: 3/7/13 3:36 am
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Hi guys,

 Download link to the 4.4 all-in-one on the website is now updated.

 As Ken already noticed the image is unfortunately broken on the GUI side
 (see attached screenshot) and therefore unmaintainable, but it is still
 working headless, persistence is working by snapshots every hour,
 content can be edited, etc. So, we can continue to run it for quite a
 while but a reserve scenario is needed anyway.

 I'd propose that at least for short-term we continue with last summer

Re: [Box-Admins] Re: [squeak-dev] Updating the website (was :Squeak 4.4 download link on squeak.org home page?)

Janko Mivšek — 2013-03-07T09:36:59

Hi guys,

Download link to the 4.4 all-in-one on the website is now updated.

As Ken already noticed the image is unfortunately broken on the GUI side
(see attached screenshot) and therefore unmaintainable, but it is still
working headless, persistence is working by snapshots every hour,
content can be edited, etc. So, we can continue to run it for quite a
while but a reserve scenario is needed anyway.

I'd propose that at least for short-term we continue with last summer
action to upgrade website to the latest Aida. Then I namely managed to
migrate most of it already, maybe a day or two is yet needed to finish
that part.

This way Chris can have a time to continue work on a new website. At
least on the new design and content if not the complete one. Newest Aida
6.5 namely supports Twitter Bootstrap CSS framework used for the new
design, so we can adopt the new design easily, if needed.

For the end I specially like to thank Ken for the help and exact
instructions how to restart and run the website in the fu

Re: [Box-Admins] Re: [squeak-dev] Updating the website (was :Squeak 4.4 download link on squeak.org home page?)

Ken Causey — 2013-03-07T03:37:18

OK, well I've left things in a state where the site is currently 
working, but not really under VNC.  What I mean is that VNC is now 
running under the website account so if you have the password you can 
now access it.  BUT I cannot get the image to run unless the option 
-vm-display=none is specified.  If you access VNC you will find a 
terminal running and a foreground process for the website, you can just 
hit ctrl-c to stop it.

See /home/website/.vnc/xstartup and /home/website/servicenew/run for 
examples of how to run the website.  The first is what happens when you 
start the VNC server, note of course that I've commented out what is 
normally there and added xterm for now.  When I found it the contents were

#!/bin/sh

#/usr/bin/squeakvm /home/website/website/squeaksite.image &
/usr/local/bin/squeak311 /home/website/website/squeaksite.image &

This contrasts with the normal (under daemontools) process which uses 
the /usr/bin/squeakvm .  I tried both VMs with much the same result. 
The image starts

Re: squeak.org - next iteration

Chris Cunnington — 2013-01-24T21:09:44

No worries. I'm excited for the way you're exploring the box4 setup. If 
nginx looks doable, it'd be fun to use.

Chris

Re: squeak.org - next iteration

Ken Causey — 2013-01-24T21:07:17

Chris said:

Sorry, I misunderstood you.

Ken

Re: [Box-Admins] Re: squeak.org - next iteration

Ken Causey — 2013-01-24T21:05:43

I may have misunderstood.  I thought Chris was referring to a symlink in 
/usr/lib/.  Certainly if the symlink in question is in his home 
directory he is welcome to modify it as desired.

Ken

Re: [Box-Admins] Re: squeak.org - next iteration

Chris Cunnington — 2013-01-24T20:56:51

It's needed because Altitude needs access to libcrypto.

Chris

Re: squeak.org - next iteration

Chris Cunnington — 2013-01-24T20:54:47

OK. I think we're talking past each other here.

How would making a symlink from

/home/chriscunnington/coglinux/lib/squeak/4.0-264/libcrypto.co

to

/usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8

break all 64bit software that relies on libcrypto? If it affects 
anything, it would only affect the vm I loaded into my home directory. 
Is that not so?

Chris

Re: [Box-Admins] Re: squeak.org - next iteration

Bert Freudenberg — 2013-01-24T20:54:02

On 24.01.2013, at 12:49, Ken Causey <ken-nAU5+7Mhd+DqlBn2x/YWAg< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:



Well, if this is a link inside the squeak dir then it would be fine. Question is why that symlink is needed at all though.

- Bert -

Re: squeak.org - next iteration

Ken Causey — 2013-01-24T20:49:19

In a word, 'NO!'  That would break any and all 64bit software that 
relies on libcrypto.

Ken

Re: squeak.org - next iteration

Chris Cunnington — 2013-01-24T20:39:52

OK, it sounds like I only need to change the symlink [1] to 
/usr/lib32/libcrypto.so. That'll probably do it.

Chris

[1] chriscunnington< at >squeak-box4:~/coglinux/lib/squeak/4.0-2640$ file 
libcrypto.so
libcrypto.so: symbolic link to `/usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8'

Re: squeak.org - next iteration

Ken Causey — 2013-01-24T20:18:54

It's already installed

/usr/lib32/libcrypto.so

Did you try using the classic Squeak VM? /usr/local/bin/squeak

Re: [squeak-dev] squeak.org - next iteration

Bert Freudenberg — 2013-01-24T19:25:38


It's great that you adopted my idea for the error page look. But it does not yet have that "ripped-open" feel, because in your version the inner shadows are missing, and the outer ones do not look smooth enough. Here are both for comparison again: 



IMHO the error page should not have any of the frames but just a plain background and the hole in the middle (the nav bar is fine on top). And maybe 260 KBytes for an error image is a bit much? Mine is 20 KByte. I'm old-fashioned I guess, a quarter mega byte seems large to me ;)

As for proper attribution, a small-print footer in the lower right corner should suffice (e.g. "graphic based on artwork by AMENAZAGFX").

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squeak.org - next iteration

Chris Cunnington — 2013-01-24T18:10:23

http://box3.squeak.org:8624
http://box3.squeak.org:8624/error

This is the next iteration of the squeak.org image. It's getting closer 
to completion, I think. There is a nascent error message.

(If anyone is wondering about attribution for that image, I looked at 
the site it came from [1] and I do not see how it is supposed to be 
attributed. AFAICT, the maker has not indicated who they are or how they 
want to be attributed.).

The image is running on box3, not box4, because I get this lovely error:

chriscunnington< at >squeak-box4:~$ 
ioLoadModule(/home/chriscunnington/coglinux/lib/squeak/4.0-2640/libcrypto.so):
   /home/chriscunnington/coglinux/lib/squeak/4.0-2640/libcrypto.so: 
wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64

Something 32 is not playing well with something 64. Perhaps I need to 
install a 32-bit version of libcrypto.so on box4?

In any event, this squeak.org image cannot be deployed on box4 behind a 
server until it has been decided what server (Apache or nginx) will be 
used. Once I am informed what the meth

Re: Re: Fun with Selenium

Chris Cunnington — 2012-11-26T12:59:24

Wow. That's amazing. It looks like it's fairly stable. This is the 
latest from top:

30743 chriscun  20   0 1042m  53m 1296 R  2.3  5.3 457:41.95 squeak

457 hours. That looks good.

I spent half an hour grep'ing apache access files looking for the half 
hour you tested. Then I realized there is no apache stanza. So there are 
no logs. Also this server has no dns (tinydns, as box2 uses DJB tools). 
That'll change soonish.

The problem I had with Altitude may have been due to how I was deploying 
it. I'd start an image, log in with RFB, load in Altitude, and then the 
site code. This last time I prepared the image fully on the desktop, 
zipped, ftp'ed, unzipped, and started. The file it loaded in at start 
(i.e. squeaksite.st) was minimal.

(ALServer on: 8624 application: ALSqueakApplication new)  start

I zip before ftp'ing, as the line encodings in the source file can get 
messed up.
That may be a factor for greater stability. But I don't really know. I 
never took a degree in compsci. This is all basicall

Adding a temporary page to squeak.org?

Ken Causey — 2012-11-25T23:18:43

Actually, nevermind.  I think I've found an easier way.

Ken

Adding a temporary page to squeak.org?

Ken Causey — 2012-11-25T23:16:42

We've had a report that somewhere on the site Yandex.com has detected 
the existence of a windows virus (not actually on squeak.org but 
probably in a mailing list archive).  To get relevant information from 
Yandex so I can confirm and remove this I have to prove I can be 
considered responsible.  Yandex wants me to do this by creating a page 
at a specific URL with content they provide which I can immediately delete.

My Aida skills are more than a little rusty.  How can I go about 
creating a page and then delete it?

Thanks,

Ken

Re: Re: Fun with Selenium

Herbert König — 2012-11-23T08:59:16

It was at least amusing. I ran five clients usually 2 clicks per second 
for half an hour. Sometimes I had them all run at full speed (next click 
when the response from the web server was complete). I didn't see any 
degradation and I assume being behind one home router was the limit 
here. Anyway if Squeak still uses a reasonable amount of memory I think 
the Squeak site will not get more load than that.

Maybe one day we can do this while you are watching the CPU and Memory 
use? I assume Linux has tools to record these for a certain time.

Cheers

Herbert

Re: Fun with Selenium

Chris Cunnington — 2012-11-21T17:14:41

I guess not different OSs. That doesn't matter, I guess. You have 
different vms for different users. And then you can have a high or low 
frequency from several points at once.

This image has been running for ~270 hours. If you want to fire up your 
rig and try to overwhelm the box3.squeak.org:8624 that could be useful. 
We could see how much can it take.

And if it isn't useful, at least it'll be amusing. :)

Chris

Fun with Selenium

Chris Cunnington — 2012-11-21T17:01:37

You have different vms for different OSs?
You get the actions to run over and over. That's why the file you send 
has the same actions repeated, I guess.



OK, I get it. I Add Test Case... and load your SqueakSiteLonger.html 
file into Selenium, fire up a terminal, and top -d 1 and watch at the 
speed I set for it. Nifty.

The files you downloaded with the non-RESTful file names are from the 
wget test. And they don't conclude. They just time out.

Re: Altitude passes a week

Chris Cunnington — 2012-11-20T13:11:12

This is great looking stuff. I've added Selenium to Firefox and I'm 
going to explore these files you attached. I'll need a day or so to get 
under it.
I thought Colin was on this list, but it appears he is not. He's now 
aware of the conversation that has been going on here, and hopefully we 
can get his input on some things.

Chris
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