http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2205 You must also disable the preference general > automaticPlatformSettings for this to persist after a save/restart. Matthew Fulmer 2008-07-17T23:04:43 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2204 Hi. Copy/paste does not work by default in cobalt/croquet images running on unix. To fix, it, I enabled the preference general > usePrimitiveClipboard. The baloon help says this preference is supposed to prevent a crash in the unix vm, but no such crash happens when I copy/paste text from workspaces or browsers or any other place I normally copy/paste from. Anybody know why this preference is there? Matthew Fulmer 2008-07-17T21:36:28 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2203 Hello all. I've been following Americo's lessons and I've created the island with the cube. However, I can't import other .obj files that I found from the internet. Although they work in Blender, I get the Error: Improper store into indexable object or rarely error: Key not found. It's been like this except some very basic .ase files. I'm not very into Blender and I want to have 3d objects on my island. By the way I have a moderate vista computer. What can I do? Also, as I saw in some demos, text, graphic editors and web browsers can be used in Croquet. Is there a tutorial about them or did I miss some places in the Americo's tutorial. Last question is, can we drag and drop objects into Croquet. Thanks for the tutorial! Baturay Akaslan, Turkey _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE Batu Aslan 2008-07-16T12:59:25 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2202   Hi there, I will meet with our small initial team to explore the Chinese language- croquet compatibility issue this weekend.  We are considering launching a larger formal China-side effort to contribute to Croquet and development of Croquet applications.  And, of course, language compatibility issues are of paramount importance.  Any additional information you or others can provide on this matter would be *greatly* appreciated!   All the best from Beijing, Eric   Hi Eric, I hope we can help. Obviously the Qwaq support staff are the experts, but I think they use VNC connection to a session with Firefox running for its web browser. If that's the case, their server just doesn't have the multilingual add-ons for their Firefox. The text panel not showing the characters does seem to illustrate a current limitation to Qwaq/Croquet/Cobalt. However, Yoshiki has added support for the Japanese Kangi character set in Squeak, the original 2D version of Smalltalk which Croquet/Qwaq is bulit on. So, I thi Eric Sommer 2008-07-10T13:48:03 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2201   Hi there, After viewing your message, I tested on two computer running Engliish and Chinese windows xp respectively.  In both systems the Qwag forum generated only mumbo jumbo on text boards and in in-world browsers when I attempted to use Chinese.  So, if I understood your suggestion correctly, the problem is not mojibake.   I will meet with our team this weekend and explore this issue further.  Please advise if you have further input on mojibake.   Thanks in advance, Eric         "True development puts first those that  society puts last." -Mahatma Gandhi   "Dare to be naive." - Buckminster Fuller   "Work for the world." - Karl Marx   "A loving heart: In all the world this state of mind is best."  - ADM CEO --- On Wed, 7/9/08, kourge <kourge< at >gmail.com> wrote: From: kourge <kourge< at >gmail.com> Subject: Re: [croquet-user] How can Chinese be used in Croquet/Cobalt/Qwag To: croquet-user< at >duke.edu, "Eric Sommer" <worldstewards< at >yahoo.com> Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 10:06 AM That Eric Sommer 2008-07-10T13:34:40 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2200 the Croquet based Squeak smalltalk. http://www.douban.com/group/topic/1616547/ From: Eric Sommer Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:46 PM To: croquet-user< at >duke.edu Subject: [croquet-user] How can Chinese be used in Croquet/Cobalt/Qwag Hi there, Our small team here at Graduate university of Chinese Academy of Science has just discovered that Chinese language does not appear to work in Qwag. Chinese language webpages display only nonsense characters when viewed in a browser 'opened' in a Qwag forum. Similarly, entering such characters into a text panel does not work at all. What, if anything, can be done about these problems? And are there similar problems with using Chinese in Croquet or Cobalt? If anyone can advise us on this matter, I would appreciate it. Eric Sommer, CEO of ChinaDesk and Gucas instructor huangbo 2008-07-10T01:25:20 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2199 Hi Eric, I hope we can help. Obviously the Qwaq support staff are the experts, but I think they use VNC connection to a session with Firefox running for its web browser. If that's the case, their server just doesn't have the multilingual add-ons for their Firefox. The text panel not showing the characters does seem to illustrate a current limitation to Qwaq/Croquet/Cobalt. However, Yoshiki has added support for the Japanese Kangi character set in Squeak, the original 2D version of Smalltalk which Croquet/Qwaq is bulit on. So, I think migrating that support to Cobalt might take some work, it should be possible. Others might know more details about this. Cheers, Darius On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Eric Sommer <worldstewards< at >yahoo.com> wrote: Darius Clarke 2008-07-09T17:45:53 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2198 That sounds like a case of mojibake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojibake). - kourge On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Eric Sommer <worldstewards< at >yahoo.com> wrote: kourge 2008-07-09T17:06:58 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2197   Hi there,  Our small team here at Graduate university of Chinese Academy of Science has just discovered that Chinese language does not appear to work in Qwag.  Chinese language webpages display only nonsense characters when viewed in a browser 'opened' in a Qwag forum.  Similarly, entering such characters into a text panel does not work at all.   What, if anything, can be done about these problems?  And are there similar problems with using Chinese in Croquet or Cobalt?   If anyone can advise us on this matter, I would appreciate it.   Eric Sommer, CEO of ChinaDesk and Gucas instructor Eric Sommer 2008-07-09T15:46:25 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2196 Wow, Thanks for the detailed and informative information below.  I'm based in the Graduate University of Chinese Academy of Science and am part of a small group beginning to explore the potentialities of OpenCroquet and for the world.  I'll go over your valuable information below in detail with our team.   Warm regards, Eric --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Howard Stearns <howard.stearns< at >qwaq.com> wrote: From: Howard Stearns <howard.stearns< at >qwaq.com> Subject: Re: [croquet-user] Subsuming other network resources under Croquet To: croquet-user< at >duke.edu, worldstewards< at >yahoo.com Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 6:31 AM There are at least three ways to look at subsuming applications within Croquet: * 2D legacy applications can be used just as they are, on a panel within a Croquet world. The application itself does not change, but benefits from collaboration by being presented as a sort of virtual computer within the 3D scene. There are several ways to do this -- mostly through network interaction/displ Eric Sommer 2008-07-08T13:45:15 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2195 There are at least three ways to look at subsuming applications within Croquet: * 2D legacy applications can be used just as they are, on a panel within a Croquet world. The application itself does not change, but benefits from collaboration by being presented as a sort of virtual computer within the 3D scene. There are several ways to do this -- mostly through network interaction/display technologies like X, VNC, RDP and similar. The Croquet code has some general "embedded application" machinery that allows one of two things to happen (with variations, of course), depending on the approach that your world's Croquet architect wants to take: - Some network interaction/display technologies allow clients to "share" a display, so that the multiplexing of I/O to many users is really done by the server for that technology, rather than by Croquet. Each Croquet participant's embedded app acts as a shared client to a server that is running the app. - Alternatively, a Croquet host (wh Howard Stearns 2008-07-08T13:31:35 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2194 Hi there, The web begain with ability to subsume other network resources - such as usenet groups, gopher lists, and printers - under itself via linking. Any such resource could be respresented and accessed via a hyperlink on a webpage. This of course accounts in part for the webs enormous reach. My question here is, to what extent does Croquet offer the same 'subsumption power'. I understand, for example, that I can subsume webpages and internet resources via Croquet.But how does that work? Also, what about other applications? Can I run other windows or Mac applications inside a Croquet world on my desktop, and then share that application in a Crquet world/window with other Croquet users over the internet? Any guidance on these matters would be appreciated. Eric Sommer, CEO, ChinaDesk (www,chinadesk21.com), Beijing, China worldstewards< at >yahoo.com 2008-07-06T06:24:11 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2193 I finally got to the full nvidia setup for graphics and accelleration. Speed is now 1300fps by glxgears at full screen. But I still get errors in Cobalt. I cannot seem to copy them, and emailing them is therefore not reasonable. I attempted to use the email error tool, but it doesn't work either it appears, maybe due to the crash of the graphics interface. The error(s) seem to be related to a primitive not being recognized. It seems to be pointing to one called TransposeMatrixf. I just updated the livna nvidia drivers on Fedora 8, and verified that glxgears ran successfully with the speed reported (which is quite good actually). I suspect that I need to update Cobalt due to the changes in libraries. What is the current version. I am running Croquet.1.0.18.image which I installed April 9, along with the rest of the Cobalt directory. And the Cobalt stuff is: -rw-r--r-- 1 lesh lesh 10646719 2008-04-16 17:19 cobalt.1.changes -rw-r--r-- 1 lesh lesh 28343572 2008-03-17 06:53 cobalt.1.image Here is th Les 2008-06-29T19:07:50 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2192 Hello there, I need some help with the Tweak Project Builder please. I am wondering, after you design your windows and GUI components in the project builder, how you get the code for those windows and how you use them in Cobalt. I have tried to use the "Export Object" command while having the window highlighted, but that just triggers an error sound, and I've tried to use "Save Project As" but that triggers a worse error: the Squeak window gets "Checkpoint failure - searching image references." and has a progress bar while it does a very long search. Is there a workaround people have been using to design windows in CProjectBuilder and then use those windows in Cobalt? Thanks for your help, Mark Mark 2008-06-29T17:48:18 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2191 Hi all. Earlier today the news announcement was circulated and it also online at: http://ImmersiveEducation.org/#NEWS and below are details on today's Education Grid launch. Hope to see you in-world today (it starts in Second Life at the location noted below, and then we move into the Wonderland Education Grid nodes). Aaron ........................................................................... Visit http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/ for this event page, meeting materials (such as images and videos) and additional details ........................................................................... WHAT: Education Grid launches with Project Wonderland [Education Grid LAUNCH] WHEN: Friday June 20th, 2008 at 4pm EST WHERE: Sun island http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sun%20Microsystems%201/127/165/71 .:: join the Immersive Education Second Life GROUP for in-world event ::. .:: invitations (see http://immersiveeducation.org/events/#join_group) ::. On Friday June 20th at 4pm EST the Immersive Educat Aaron E. Walsh 2008-06-20T16:27:55 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2190 Hello everyone, below are details on this Friday's Education Grid launch where we'll give educators early access to Wonderland servers ("nodes") and virtual worlds. Feel free to share this event information with others you think would be interested, as we have more than enough Wonderland nodes on the Education Grid to accommodate a large number of visitors. Hope to see you in-world on Friday, Aaron ........................................................................... Visit http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/ for this event page, meeting materials (such as images and videos) and additional details ........................................................................... WHAT: Education Grid launches with Project Wonderland [Education Grid LAUNCH] WHEN: Friday June 20th, 2008 at 4pm EST WHERE: Sun island http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sun%20Microsystems%201/127/165/71 .:: join the Immersive Education Second Life GROUP for in-world event ::. .:: invitations (see http://immersiveeducation.org/events/ Aaron E. Walsh 2008-06-18T15:22:11 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2189 Hello all, while I haven't had as much time to tinker with Croquet I'd like to mention a concern that I've had for a while. One of the key things that turned me off from Second Life is not the architecture issue's, but the amount of filth that is available to the click. One of the best things about the Croquet/Etoys/Squeak movement is that it appears to be in good hands for now. Since in my personal goal for programming is to be able to function within Squeak environments at the design level, it is outside the scope of my interest/abilities to address this. As Croquet/Cobalt matures I humbly ask that the Wizards take into consideration that children will be using the "browser". I will be the first to admit that I don't fully understand how visiting islands will work ( in that respect I am in way over my head ). However if the future holds something that even remotely resembles web browsers or Second Life, then I would hope that some restrictive resource would be available to parents and educators. waufrepi< at >gmail.com 2008-06-10T00:36:39 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2188 I've just been informed that the file has been renamed to http://croquet-src-01.oit.duke.edu/cobalt-base-current-build-20080608.zip The stable page to get cobalt downloads is at: http://croquet-src-01.oit.duke.edu/cobalt.html Andreas Raab wrote: Like I said, it really needs some UI. In the interim however, there is software available that can help you manage your UPnP port forwarding (e.g. http://codelaide.com/blog/products/lighthouse ) and running: SsdpListener wanIpConnectionServices anyOne getPortMappings with a running listener (started by the CobaltMaster or start with SsdpListener restart) should return an ordered collection of ordered collections. Each sub collection is a port mapping entry for the UPnP IGD in the order specified in the docs. It works on my routers at home (linksys wrt54g and gs with the g using custom firmware; and a cheap router I use as a spare) and Mark M. was successful in integration testing with his netgear. I expect that we'll have some odd problems with some John Dougan 2008-06-09T20:58:03 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2187 Mark McCahill and I are pleased to announce the 2008-06-08 release of Cobalt. It can be downloaded from http://croquet-src-01.oit.duke.edu/cobalt-base-current-build-08062008.zip Changes: * We have now punched through the NAT firewall! The dispatcher and its infrastructure has been extended to have an understanding of NAT traversal and port forwarding. The current implementation has some documentation at http://groups.google.com/group/cobaltcroquet/web/nat-traversal and currently has configuration options for no port forwarding, UPnP IGD based port forwarding, and statically configured forwarding. It still desperately need some UI and a global registry. * Mantis issue 26: We have an OpenAL null device class that will be used if the OpenAL libraries are not installed or if they have a startup problem. (Thanks to Mike Klein for this code) * Mantis issue 42: Hitting the Esc key while the mouse is over the menubar no longer causes it t John Dougan 2008-06-09T19:41:29 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2186 Hello everyone, below is a text version of today's announcement; please do join us this evening to celebrate. If you'd like to see this announcement in Web page form (with images and detail links for each bullet, which aren't in the text version below) you can visit the Immersive Education news area where you'll find other news items as well: http://ImmersiveEducation.org/#NEWS And you can also visit http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/ for details on tonight's party. Best regards, Aaron ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Immersive Education Initiative Celebrates 1st Birthday in the Virtual World, Expands in the Real World ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- BOSTON, MA - June 04, 2008 - The Immersive Education Initiative, in celebration of its first anniversary and a number of recent accomplishments, will throw a virtual 1st birthday party tonight for its members and the public (http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/) Aaron E. Walsh 2008-06-04T18:12:40 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user/2185 Hello everyone, below are details on our in-world birthday party this Wednesday night. Please feel free to invite your students, colleagues and friends. During the event we'll use the graphics sphere as a "flash card" surface, illustrating how social events such as this can also be used for education as well. See you all Wednesday night, and if you're included to take screenshots we'll add them to our events page after the party. Aaron ........................................................................... Visit http://ImmersiveEducation.org/events/ for this special event ........................................................................... WHAT: BIRTHDAY PARTY! Immersive Education Turns One [Music/Dance/Socializing] WHEN: WEDNESDAY June 4th, 2008 from 9-11pm EST WHERE: The "Odd Ball": http://slurl.com/secondlife/research%20center/122/142/651 .:: join the Immersive Education Second Life GROUP for in-world event ::. .:: invitations (see http://immersiveeducation.org/events/#join_group) ::. On Aaron E. Walsh 2008-06-02T19:56:36 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.croquet.user