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Kolf vs Box2d

Albert Astals Cid — 2012-12-24T15:39:42

Kolf has an embedded copy of Box2d libraries, would anyone be against us 
linking about the system box2d libraries?

Having embedded code is always not cool since you miss all the bugfixes and 
improvements.

Cheers,
  Albert

Re: launching kded

Ian Wadham — 2013-01-14T22:33:48

Hi Brad,

I'm glad you found my input useful.

On 15/01/2013, at 2:52 AM, brad wrote:

No way!


Nah, I use Firefox.  I was having a look at the code for startkde and K session manager
yesterday, but swiftly became lost … :-(  It certainly looks as though kded4 launches a
few daemons and also runs kbuildsycoca4.  I seem to remember there is a file somewhere
where KDE developers put requests for kded4 to start things.
 

In my young day that used to be known as "piggy backing".  Not good design,
IMHO, but useful if you are short of time.  I think "kded" is short for "KDE daemon",
back in the days when there was only one … :-)


No, I think kdeinit4 just speeds up the launch of a KDE app (i.e. just one app at a
time).  The startkde README also said it is used to reduce overall KDE startup time,
but that statement could be out of date …  Some of this stuff goes back 10 years
or so, to when IBM-compatible PCs were not so fast at loading programs.

Re kded4, if you could find out which daemon(s) you actuall

Re: launching kded

Ian Wadham — 2013-01-14T21:59:23

Hi Till, Brad, Kurt, Patrick,

It's nice to know you are out there!  On the Macports list, quite a few
users of KDE apps appear from time to time.  KMyMoney4 is quite
popular and I use that myself.  I am mainly into KDE Games and,
believe it or not, develop KDE Games on a Macbook Pro, using
Macports-provided Qt-Mac and KDE libraries.  The games I write or
maintain are KGoldrunner, Kubrick, KSudoku and KJumpingCube.
I also enjoy playing KPat (solitaire/patience) and Palapeli (jigsaws).

Since switching to Mac I have been working on KDE 4.8 thru 4.11
versions of KDE games.  4.10 is in its final release stages and 4.11
is in the future of course.

Cheers, Ian W.

On 15/01/2013, at 3:47 AM, Till Adam wrote:

Re: launching kded

Till Adam — 2013-01-14T16:47:44

I was in the same boat. Now I'm using a fresh VM to rebase my builds on 
homebrew. There is just a lot less to package, in the end, because it can 
easily use system supplied libraries adn things like postgres.


I do the same with KDEPIM :).

Till

Re: launching kded

brad — 2013-01-14T16:38:46

i tried homebrew a while ago (perhaps a year) and discovered it was cumbersome 
to use homebrew when macports was already installed and i didn't have time to 
switch as i had an investment in macports (and an ancient laptop). i might 
give homebrew another shot now that i have a newer laptop that will take less 
than several days to compile qt/kde apps. 

i build from macports except digikam and its 'extras' i build form git as i 
try to keep on top of strange os x bugs in digikam. 

 - brad

Re: launching kded

Kurt Hindenburg — 2013-01-14T16:26:17

I'm using macports for my software installation (I basically gave up
manually compiling stuff due to Qt/kdelibs years ago).  I mainly use
Konsole/Konversation on my Mac.  For the most part it works OK.  Usually
the opening of external apps (dolphin/konq/help/bookmark) from within apps
don't work.

Kurt


On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Till Adam <adam-RoXCvvDuEio< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

Re: launching kded

Till Adam — 2013-01-14T16:15:37

Hey Brad,

you are not the only one :). I've been running it for years, mostly for 
Kontact, and keep it building and working as best I can. Along with our 
friends at Kolab Systems I'm starting a push leading up to the kdepim sprint 
in March to get kdepim into homebrew, so we have a reliable way of building 
(and later packaging) it sensibly. Previous efforts have focused on macports, 
but I believe homebrew is the better choice now, with less duplication and 
wasted efforts. If you interested to help, hit me up, please :).

Are you guys all building by hand?

Till

On Monday 14 January 2013 10:52:53 brad wrote:

thanks very much for your input. Its nice to hear how others run kde apps on 
OS X. Sometimes i feel like i'm the only one :).

Re: launching kded

brad — 2013-01-14T15:52:53

Hey guys,

thanks very much for your input. Its nice to hear how others run kde apps on 
OS X. Sometimes i feel like i'm the only one :). 

On Monday, January 14, 2013 08:44:30 AM Ian Wadham wrote:
haha -- yeah. Although I should have mentioned my test case. Basically start 
konqueror then select Settings->Configure Konqueror ... from the menu. At which 
point i get a warning that the cookie handler service could not be started. I 
believe this translates into kded4 is not running. start kded4 from the 
command line, and all is well. Do you get the same results on your systems? 

this thread was helpful, glad you asked that list. I know kde is full of 
daemons and it is not obvious how they all fit together especially when you 
need to run kde apps on a windows or mac environment. it does appear that kded 
does a lot of IO monitoring. It kind of surprises me that a daemon that 
monitors the filesystem is also needed for khtml cookies. Makes me wonder if 
i'm missing something.

this sounds like a decent idea

Re: launching kded

Ian Wadham — 2013-01-14T02:20:35

On 14/01/2013, at 10:10 AM, Patrick Spendrin wrote:

My guess is that running kbuilsycoca4 (just once) from the command line, might
fix Brad's problem.

It constructs an index of where to find and how to run plugins, kparts, other apps and
utilities that might be needed when KDE apps are running.  It seems to fix quite a few
problems with broken KDE apps on the Mac.  I can even make my own jigsaw puzzles
now (Palapeli, KDE Games) on my Macbook … :-)  The slicer process would not run
until I had run kbuildsycoca4.

Cheers, Ian W.

Re: launching kded

Patrick Spendrin — 2013-01-13T23:10:59

Am 13.01.2013 18:46, schrieb brad:

This should normally work automatically. You might want to try if
running kdeinit4 starts up kded4 and if it does, register it to be run
at system startup as Ian described.


regards,
Patrick

Re: launching kded

Ian Wadham — 2013-01-13T21:44:30

I presume you are talking about running this stuff on an Apple Mac.

On 14/01/2013, at 4:46 AM, brad wrote:

kded4 is pretty strong meat, from what I can gather.  In a KDE desktop it is a
directory watcher, but it is also used to launch a few daemons.  I don't know
whether any of these might break in an Apple Mac desktop.  Chalk and cheese.
I am pretty sure kded4 runs as part of KDE desktop startup.


I tried to find out more about this kind of thing on kde-devel, a few months ago.
See http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=134795632703643&w=2

Although some of the best KDE guys responded, I was not able to find out much,
but maybe you could get a few more clues from that thread.

It might be easiest if you just run kded4 whenever you are thinking of using Digikam
to upload images to the web.  Or use a native Mac program to upload them.

If you really want to live dangerously, how about adding kded4 to Apple Mac's
System Preferences->Users and Groups->Login Items?  I have done this with
kdeinit4, with no ill ef

launching kded

brad — 2013-01-13T17:46:58

Hello,

How should one go about launching kded4? Should this be done automatically
somehow?

Background:
I recently had a problem using digikam for uploading images to a website. The
problem was that kded4 was not running, which means code using khtml could not
access cookies; thus the webservice failed. Once i started kded4 it worked and
all was well. It seems cumbersome to start kded4 by hand each
time i want to use cookies w/ a kde app. Is there a better way to have kded4
start automatically or on-demand when a application needs it?

Thanks,
 -- brad

MacPorts bundle package

meik michalke — 2012-08-26T10:58:17

hi,

i hope this is a good place for this ;-) i'm part of the RKWard development 
team. RKWard is a KDE-based GUI for R:
 o http://rkward.sourceforge.net

we've been working on a Mac port of RKWard for a while now, and thanks to the 
MacPorts version of KDE, this went really well so far. now that the port is 
basically working[1], we'd also like to offer a bundle package for Mac users, 
including R and needed parts of KDE, just like we do for the Windows port[2], 
so you don't have to compile all of KDE just to check out RKWard.

actually, there already is such a bundle package available for testing:
 o http://sourceforge.net/projects/rkwardextras/files/MacOSX/
this .dmg file was made using the packaging features of MacPorts. the only 
problem is its size, almost 1GB compared to ~130MB of the Windows bundle. that 
is because all related ports end up in the bundle recursively, including the 
toolchain for the building process. so the next step would be to find an 
elegant way to exclude all ports which are no

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Re: Help with uninstall...

Joan — 2012-05-09T08:52:12

Yeah, calligra is evolving nicely, but at this point is still a bit rough,
appart from krita the rest of the office suite is quite crashy for the
average user.
I am using libreoffice myself on mac, and I must say that having upgraded
it to 3.5.2 it's really much better than openoffice used to be.

special stuff, but at the moment there's still some work to do to be able
to run the programs

Re: Help with uninstall...

Ian Wadham — 2012-05-08T22:56:29

Hello Nunzio,

On 30/04/2012, at 10:05 AM, Nunzio Gambale wrote:

KOffice is now called Calligra, I believe.


I hesitate to suggest this, but have you considered using LibreOffice 3?  It used to be
called OpenOffice.org, but recently split from Oracle and is continuing (free) development
as LibreOffice.  I have had several years of good experiences with it on Linux and now
Mac Os X LIon, mainly with word processing, slide presentations and simple spreadsheets.

I have also found it inter-operates with MS Office and MS Office files quite well, which is
helpful when you need to communicate with MS Windows users.

LibreOffice is to be preferred, because it continues to develop and improve, whereas
OpenOffice.org is currently more or less static.


KDE is based on the Qt library from Trolltech, now a subsidiary of Nokia.  On Mac, the
relevant version is qt4-mac, which integrates with the native Mac desktop, so apps
based on Qt or KDE execute in normal Mac OS X windows.  Some other Linux/UNIX
apps require to run

Re: Help with uninstall...

Joan — 2012-05-08T14:22:36

Hi Nunzio, some answers to your issues but not much luck neiter :)
Ultimately I'm trying to migrate our office (20+ macs) away from ical/mail
M$oft apps...esp since Lion.

Those instrucions are really old, someone should remove them, they're for
kde3, forgot about that..

The most updated site is this ->  http://community.kde.org/Mac
Altough I am compiling everything using homebrew (
http://mxcl.github.com/homebrew/)

With current apps you don't need X11, and after lion there won't be the
possibility to install X11 on mac (at least from default disks)

Yes, you only have to compile it with appropiate flags

If you installed from macports, you should be able to follow macports
uninstall
http://guide.macports.org/chunked/installing.macports.uninstalling.html

Koffice is not really mature in mac at this point, it can compile but still
needs some work in the code to allow working.

I really appreciate any suggestions you have.
to compile krita, the excellent grafical editor from calligra suide
(koffice no longer

Help with uninstall...

Nunzio Gambale — 2012-04-30T00:05:59

Hi there

I have been trying to get koffice and or kde installed on my mac with not much luck!

Ultimately I'm trying to migrate our office (20+ macs) away from ical/mail M$oft apps...esp since Lion.

I followed the instructions here:

http://userbase.kde.org/KOffice/Download#Mac_OS_X

but then can't get anything to run?

So if you have a second, could you point me in the direction of some answers to the following questions?

1. How to start the KDE environment (is it from X11?)
2. Can i start koffice, WITHOUT starting the whole KDE environment
3. How do i remove the KDE install completely?

I have spent a while digging through the various sites to find answers, but to no avail!

I really appreciate any suggestions you have.


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Working kde apps on kde?

Joan — 2012-05-04T22:21:45

Hi all,

I've been playing with brew trying to compile and use krita on mac, and
after a few patches for some formulas (and some help of krita devs) I've
been able to compile it properly.
The problem is that I'm getting a ton of errors similar to this

05/05/12 0:16:52,079 [0x0-0x70070].org.calligra.krita: "KConfigIni: In file
/mach_kernel, line 1: " Invalid entry (missing '=')
05/05/12 0:16:52,079 [0x0-0x70070].org.calligra.krita: "KConfigIni: In file
/mach_kernel, line 2: " Invalid entry (missing '=')
05/05/12 0:16:52,079 [0x0-0x70070].org.calligra.krita: "KConfigIni: In file
/mach_kernel, line 3: " Invalid entry (missing '=')
05/05/12 0:16:52,079 [0x0-0x70070].org.calligra.krita: "KConfigIni: In file
/mach_kernel, line 4: " Invalid entry (missing '=')

Do you know of an application that has fixed this problems? Any application
that works properly?

For the interested, the modified formulas are here pending to be
accepted/rejected:
https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-boneyard/pulls
Also you need to follow

Re: How to change color scheme?

Rich E — 2012-04-05T21:18:19

Thanks for the response.  Darn, it figures that anything made for mac is
non-configurable.  Well, there are enough other aspects about KDevelop that
I'm already preferring.  I wonder if the qt4-mac has appearance
preferences.. that dark setting sure is slick.

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Ian Wadham <iandw.au-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

Re: How to change color scheme?

Ian Wadham — 2012-04-05T01:56:44

On 04/04/2012, at 10:22 AM, Rich E wrote:


You certainly did.  I am amazed such a complex app can be ported.


AFAICT it is system-wide in Linux KDE, though I am not up to speed on KDevelop.  Maybe there
are some things you can change, under a Configure menu-item, just within the KDevelop windows.

On my Macbook, KDE apps are built with qt4-mac by Macports and that means the window/desktop
style is the same as is set in Mac OS X.  I do not know what will happen if you try to run the KDE app
called "systemsettings", always supposing it has been ported.  Might be a recipe for disaster …

Cheers, Ian W.