gmane.comp.hardware.trs80.model100

Re: NADSBox ships...

Jonathan Rose — 2008-12-05T04:35:18

Hey Rick, is mine one of the ones that hasn't been mailed yet? Just checking, as I'm only three and a half hours drive north of you, and I figured it would be her today as that's how long the other orfers from you took. I've had theft issues with packages sitting on doorsteps before, so I figured I'd check. Call me paranoid! It's like waiting for Santa. Let me know if you have a sec. Thanks! -Jon --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Rick Hanson public.gmane.org> wrote: From: Rick Hanson public.gmane.org> Subject: Re: NADSBox ships... To: m100-E4oWkhjlVFm5hqqOCiNUZw< at >public.gmane.org Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 5:05 PM Oops! I missed that detail. I just now renamed the file on the development computer to loader.do. I recommend that when the NADSBoxes arrive, place the card in a card reader or USB port on your PC and rename that file before using it in your Model "T". At least 14 people will have it named right ... thanks for the detail Brian. -R

RE: NADSBox ships...

Kenneth Pettit — 2008-12-05T04:20:55

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:12:24, Brian Brindle wrote: Great! The first production NADSBox in use finally after it first started 6 years ago!!! Yeeaaaaaah! Thanks, I put a lot of attention into the machining and printing details of the enclosure. After cuting 6 beta enclosures by hand, I knew I needed a better and quicker solution. If I had to cut each of them by hand, I would probably still be cutting holes. :) As Rick has already identified, this was a slight oversight when copying files to the SD cards. Simply rename the LOADER1.DO file to LOADER.DO. Yeah, the original plan was to get a factory in China to build a bunch of short, flexible cables. But most of the factories wanted me to order like 5000 cables minimum, so that idea didn't pan out. The one place I did locate created a sample cable that was very poor quality and wouldn't make good connection 90% of the time. Perhaps I can search more when I return to China in a couple of weeks. Glad you like it so far and thanks for the f

RE: A technical question on the m100 file system.

M H Stein — 2008-12-05T03:56:41

Didn't we just have this discussion? I think instead of hex the easiest way to dump the M100's memory without disturbing RAM by loading another program is to set the PC to capture text at 19200bd and on the model T: OPEN"COM:98N1E"FOR OUTPUT AS 1:FOR I=32768 TO HIMEM:PRINT#1,PEEK(I):NEXT And then trivially convert the captured file back to text on the PC and search through it for your lost files. Of course the NADSBOX should make this even simpler if it is even still necessary. m ******************************** ---------- From: Stephen Adolph[SMTP:twospruces-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 6:59 PM To: m100-E4oWkhjlVFm5hqqOCiNUZw< at >public.gmane.org Subject: Re: A technical question on the m100 file system. Maybe some of the data is still there, but you would need to dump it to see what can be saved. the dump process would need to kinda fancy, to be able to get all 29k of data out the serial port. I think that is a whole application on it's own. requiri

Re: NADSBox ships...

Rick Hanson — 2008-12-05T01:05:00

Oops! I missed that detail. I just now renamed the file on the development computer to loader.do. I recommend that when the NADSBoxes arrive, place the card in a card reader or USB port on your PC and rename that file before using it in your Model "T". At least 14 people will have it named right ... thanks for the detail Brian. -Rick- At 03:12 PM 12/4/2008, Brian Brindle wrote:

Re: NADSBox ships...

Rick Hanson — 2008-12-05T00:54:02

That's great news, Brian. I mailed 26 of the 40 units on Tuesday. I have 8 in process ... 4 waiting for me to finish TS-DOS ROMs that were ordered at the same time, and 4 that just need finish packing and shipping. Only 6 remain unpaid, unpacked and unshipped. It will all work out over time. I'm keeping the pressure on to push through all the remaining orders. My only block is my day business taking most of the time each day. We'll get there... -Rick- At 12:40 PM 12/4/2008, Brian Brindle wrote:

Re: A technical question on the m100 file system.

Jonathan Rose — 2008-12-05T00:51:41

Ok, thanks for the input. Most of my stuff is in very small files (poetry for example), so the whole file might only take up 2-6k. I'm wondering if there is not some kind of way to dump the contents of the memory to, say, the new NADSbox via the text->SD feature. Guess I've got some more tinkering to do :-) Thanks again for the input! --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Stephen Adolph public.gmane.org> wrote: From: Stephen Adolph public.gmane.org> Subject: Re: A technical question on the m100 file system. To: m100-E4oWkhjlVFm5hqqOCiNUZw< at >public.gmane.org Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 3:59 PM Maybe some of the data is still there, but you would need to dump it to see what can be saved. the dump process would need to kinda fancy, to be able to get all 29k of data out the serial port. I think that is a whole application on it's own. requiring ram. Some of the TS roms had a cold boot recovery function. that might be a better way to go. One ca

Re: A technical question on the m100 file system.

Stephen Adolph — 2008-12-04T23:59:07

Maybe some of the data is still there, but you would need to dump it to see what can be saved. the dump process would need to kinda fancy, to be able to get all 29k of data out the serial port. I think that is a whole application on it's own. requiring ram. Some of the TS roms had a cold boot recovery function. that might be a better way to go. One can imagine a scenario where that technique can work, where you rebuild a file, but I think it is a little tricky since there is a file system interaction. Simplest would be dump all ram to serial port and see what you can do with it externally. You would have to dump ram using hex encoding or something, to get around the control characters. ..Steve On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Jonathan Rose public.gmane.org> wrote:

Re: NADSBox ships...

Lee Kelley — 2008-12-04T23:47:19

Mine hasn't made it to texas yet. Lee On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Brian Brindle public.gmane.org> wrote:

Re: WP2s

Ron Wiesen — 2008-12-04T23:28:38

Hello sir: There is no WP2-specific variant of TEENY. Consequently, TEENY.EXE does not recognize an attached WP2 laptop. Keeper of the Primordial Bit (mother of all bits), -= Ron Wiesen =- ----- Original Message ----- From: public.gmane.org> To: public.gmane.org> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: WP2s

Re: NADSBox ships...

Brian Brindle — 2008-12-04T23:12:24

Just got home and unwrapped my NADSBox! The quality of this devices is far better than I expected. The case on this thing is down right beautiful! The devices was very well packaged and even contained 2 AA batteries, and the coolest little SD card I've ever seen. The whole built in USB port on the SD card had me confused for a few seconds. Popped it in - set my terminal to 98N1D and flipped the switch. I was greeted with the license acceptance screen and typed accept. The command prompt access via term is very useful and well done. In my opinion the devices is worth the cost just to be able to type text files on an SD card. Now keep in mind I haven't read the directions to this thing yet but found BOOTST.DO on the card. I used type to display the file and saved it as bootsts.do. I then loaded that in BASIC and saved as a BA file. Of course I forgot to remove the command prompt from my bootsts.do file so this didn't work. Edited bootsts.do and removed the > from the end saved as a BA file fired it up and..

Tandy WP-2 on eBay

Jim Tiner — 2008-12-04T22:42:35

There's a WP-2 on eBay right now. The seller says it works, but that it has some problems. Item # 320321305752

Re: Ohhh.... Dear....

Mike Warns — 2008-12-04T22:29:40

I heard it called Trash-DOS long before I heard the whole computer get called the Trash-80. For good reasons, too, like how it, upon discovering that the file you were storing was too large to fit in the space available on the disk, would cheerfully continue writing it over track 0, rendering the disk unreadable. I liked DOSPLUS. It had features that MS-DOS never got.

Re: Ohhh.... Dear....

Peter Vollan — 2008-12-04T22:08:17

TRS-80 is Trash-80. Even my freind Kurt Dekker used to call it that. Radio Shacks computers just never had a very good reputation, and even the Model 100 has that pesky tendency to cold start. Don't run from the "Trash-80" term, it is a familiar, term of endearment. Nice! He's dreaming a bit, but maybe he'll get the $300. But what is the CueCat doing there??

Re: WP2s

John R. Hogerhuis — 2008-12-04T22:03:34

What are you using to convert? I think I made a Perl script at some point...

Re: WP2s

Eric Nakano — 2008-12-04T21:54:27

I love my WP2! In Windows XP I have had success using LaddieCon.exe (available from www.bitchin100.com) for all my Model T and WP2 transfers. Subsequently, you still need to run your file through the converter to get it into decent plain text, but getting it onto your computer is half the battle! -Eric On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:35 PM, public.gmane.org> wrote:

Re: Club 100 Website Provides Nuts & Bolts Technical Information -- Was: Re: A technical question on the m100 file system.

Jonathan Rose — 2008-12-04T21:37:21

Thanks Ron, I have actually used the files on the M-100 at Club 100 on several occasions. I know I can look them up, of course, but it's more fun to tinker first. It's kind of how I learn. I do the same thing with cars. I fiddle around for a bit, and then I go look it up. When I do that, I tend to remember things forever. I tend to go crosseyed if I try to read first without tinkering, and it doesn't 'sink in'. Thank you for the excellent idea about personalizing a copy of the memory map though!That's a fantastic idea. It never occured to me to make my own. I've also toyed with the idea of taking all the important stuff from all over the web and condensing it into a 'Model 100 Bible', so to speak, where it's all formatted in a printible format (either pdf of publisher) so that you could print out one big book and have everything you would ever need in one place. At least, it sounded like a good idea to me. Thanks so much for the detailed response! --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Ron Wiesen

Re: A technical question on the m100 file system.

Jonathan Rose — 2008-12-04T21:25:17

Thanks Steve! That makes sense. So there is no easy way to 'undelete' a file, since the pointers get moved around, huh? Here's the reason I'm asking: I'm a writer, and there have been three seperate occasions where the M-100's memory got corrupted (using UR-2/VIEW60 mainly), and I lost some work. My idea was to write this program that logs (in a .do file I could print) what the addresses of the different files were in memory, so if something 'went wrong'. I could dump the contents of RAM into a .do file, and salvage the writing after transfering it to the PC or NADSbox. Is this in any way feasible? Assuming a file was deleted or 'messed up', and no new files were created (so the file's RAM was not overwritten), could I still scan the previous RAM location and get the file back, or is it more complicated than that? I've seen utilities to dump ALL of the ram (in case of a cold start), but I was looking for something smaller, quicker, and more easily useable. In other words, if I knew that my story f

Bitchin100 also provides free space for documentation

John R. Hogerhuis — 2008-12-04T21:19:13

Good info and it looks like your private stash is even better :-) . The "private copy" thing is why I created the Bitchin100 DocGarden wiki. Wikis are easy for anyone to edit. So for my own documents and tidbits I get off the list, I prefer a public copy that is a living document open to the community to improve. http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=Model_T_DocGarden It keeps a version history so if someone puts something wrong it is fairly easy to recover the prior state. Haven't had a problem with "tragedy of the commons" yet but so far I am the main contributor to the DocGarden.

Re: WP2s

Jonathan Rose — 2008-12-04T21:15:55

What you need is laddiecon, which you can find on the bitchin' 100 site.The WP-2 works just fine with it, and the WP 2's built in file transfer utility is already installed. It's been quite awhile since I used mine, as I prefer the Model 100s, but you basically start up the command line program on the PC side and set it to the correct serial port, and then start up the file transfer software on the WP-2. Select disk, as laddiecon (like Desklink and Teeny) emulates the TPDD protocol, and you should be able to load and save files with ease between the two computers. Very easy! --- On Thu, 12/4/08, coxon.spencer-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg< at >public.gmane.org public.gmane.org> wrote: From: coxon.spencer-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg< at >public.gmane.org public.gmane.org> Subject: WP2s To: m100-E4oWkhjlVFm5hqqOCiNUZw< at >public.gmane.org Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 12:35 PM They may not have the nostalgic factor of the Model 100 -- but I think they a

Re: NADSBox ships...

Ron Wiesen — 2008-12-04T21:18:13

Hello Brian: It takes a #%!! of a man to entrust his wife with the safekeeping of his NADSBox , 73 to KG4NIQ de WD8PNL, -= Ron Wiesen =- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Brindle" public.gmane.org> To: public.gmane.org> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 8:40 PM Subject: Re: NADSBox ships... Ken on developing a great product! It's one thing > to blow hot air on the list (as I am wont to do) it's another thing to > put in the hours and "just ship it."> > Great work, man.Thanks John. I am anxious to here what everyone else thinks of the device also. It certainly has been a long time coming.Ken

Re: WP2s

John R. Hogerhuis — 2008-12-04T21:09:40

Well, good news: this is a 100% solved problem. The WP-2 works with LaddieCon.exe from DISKETTE on the FILES menu (it also works with DLPlus, and DLPilot). You can find LaddieCon.exe at http://bitchin100.com Also, WP-2 works with NADSBox. I tested this feature. One thing you will want to do is convert to .DA file rather than .DO before you transfer the file. On the WP-2, DO format is a binary format.