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Files disappearing from ~/.config/autostart

Magnus Therning — 2013-06-16T20:12:32

I have a few files linked into ~/.config/autostart:

  dropbox.desktop             -> /usr/share/applications/dropbox.desktop
  gnome-encfs-manager.desktop -> /usr/share/applications/gnome-encfs-manager.desktop
  mt-modify-keymap.desktop    -> /usr/share/applications/mt-modify-keymap.desktop

I've found that at times the system seems to remove some of these
files.  What would be causing it, and why?

For example, when I booted this system today the 'dropbox.desktop'
link had been removed and I had to re-add it.  Interestingly there was
a process running dropbox after startup anyway.

The contents of dropbox.desktop is

~~~~
[Desktop Entry]
Name=Dropbox
GenericName=Network Storage
Comment=Dropbox is a free service that lets you bring your photos, docs, and videos anywhere and share them easily
Exec=dropboxd
Icon=dropbox
Terminal=false
Type=Application
Categories=Network;
StartupNotify=false
~~~~

/M

gnome-terminal and start folder for new tabs and windows

Magnus Therning — 2013-06-16T20:07:10

Hi all,

I have two up-to-date ArchLinux systems with Gnome 3.8 on, and largely
they behave the same.  Except for one little thing: where new tabs
(C-S-T) and (C-S-W) windows in gnome-terminal start out.

           | System A | System B
--------------------------------
New tab    | $PWD     | $HOME
New window | $PWD     | $HOME

I can't for the life of me recall anything I've configured differently
on the systems that could be even remotely related to this.  I also
can't seem to find any setting relating to this behaviour.

Any idea of where I should be looking?

Oh, BTW, I like the behaviour of System A and would like to replicate
it on System B.

/M

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Autostart programs and environment variables

Fabrizio Gennari — 2013-06-09T16:43:37

Hello,
I have a program which needs a LD_PRELOAD to run, and I'd like to have 
it autostarted every time the gnome-session starts.

So I ran gnome-session-properties and added the whole command line to 
the Startup Applications as I would type it in a shell:

LD_PRELOAD=<lib> <absolute path of the program>

It does not start. The syntax of .desktop files seems not to have a 
provision for environment variables (documentation of Exec key says 
nothing about those), and the function g_shell_parse_argv() seems not to 
take in account VARIABLE=value on the command line, unlike a "real" shell.

Is there a way to solve the problem? Or should this be considered a bug 
in gnome-session?

Regards,
Fabrizio

Re: Autostart programs and environment variables

Fabrizio Gennari — 2013-06-09T19:11:26

Thank you, the "env" command solved it

Il 09/06/2013 19:33, Dylan McCall ha scritto:

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Re: Autostart programs and environment variables

Dylan McCall — 2013-06-09T17:33:12

The shorthand FOO=BAR COMMAND syntax is a feature in some shells, but it
isn't used everywhere. The "Command" field for something in session
properties (like the Exec property in a .desktop file) just doesn't expect
fancy input like that :)

For this sort of thing, try the Unix env command. In this case, you can
really just put "env " before what you are trying to enter and it will do
what you want. It has some other handy features, but the gist of it is it
runs a command after changing a particular environment variable.

Dylan


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Autostart programs and environment variables

Fabrizio Gennari — 2013-06-09T17:09:07

Hello,
I have a program which needs a LD_PRELOAD to run, and I'd like to have
it autostarted every time the gnome-session starts.

So I ran gnome-session-properties and added the whole command line to
the Startup Applications as I would type it in a shell:

LD_PRELOAD=<lib> <absolute path of the program>

It does not start. The syntax of .desktop files seems not to have a
provision for environment variables (documentation of Exec key says
nothing about those), and the function g_shell_parse_argv() seems not to
take in account ENVVARIABLE=value on the command line, unlike a "real" shell.

Is there a way to solve the problem? Or should this be considered a bug
in gnome-session?

Regards,
Fabrizio

Re: problem after disconnecting external monitor

Carpetnailz — 2013-06-02T17:43:02

That doesn't seem to work either. It does cycle the screen settings
through several options (both, just laptop, just external, neither (?)),
but once the alignment of the desktop icons is screwed up, none of them
return it to its proper place. Also the desktop background is skewed.
It's like the desktop creates two copies of the desktop background, with
the desktop icons on the one, and then, when the external monitor is
detached, it just sort of shows part of each.

Screenshot at http://blog.ericsinfotech.com/2013/06/02/desktop-issue/.

Thanks.
On Sun, 2013-06-02 at 11:36 +0000, Resnik, Chris wrote:

RE: problem after disconnecting external monitor

Resnik, Chris — 2013-06-02T11:36:21

On Lenovo laptops, the selection of display output for external graphic output can also be adjusted using the fn+Fx key (usually F6, F7 or F8 - check the icon on your keys). As this is hardware rather than software-based, maybe 'disconnecting' the external monitor this way won't mess up your deskop settings. Have you tried this already?

Good luck
Chris
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Subject: problem after disconnecting external monitor

Using Fedora 17 on lenovo x120e laptop.
When I connect an external monitor, the monitor is recognized
automatically and works fine as I drag windows to and from it. My
problem is when I want to disconnect the external monitor. My desktop
display is skewed way to the left so that I only see a few of the icons.
(Using 'Have file manager handle desktop' from gnome-tweak-tool.)

There must be some wa

Sound preferences in gnome 3.8 with Linux kernel 3.8 or higher

Marcelo Santana — 2013-06-01T18:07:38

Hi folks,

By chance is anyone having problem using gnome 3.8 with Linux kernel
version 3.8 or higher relative to the sound preferences?

With kernel 3.2 all outputs (speakers, headphone and others) are shown
but with kernel 3.8 or higher is shown only output being used.

I'm asking this to make sure whether it is a bug or it is a normal
working with kernels higher than 3.8.

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problem after disconnecting external monitor

Carpetnailz — 2013-05-31T23:53:41

Using Fedora 17 on lenovo x120e laptop.
When I connect an external monitor, the monitor is recognized
automatically and works fine as I drag windows to and from it. My
problem is when I want to disconnect the external monitor. My desktop
display is skewed way to the left so that I only see a few of the icons.
(Using 'Have file manager handle desktop' from gnome-tweak-tool.)

There must be some way to do this, but I haven't found it. None of the
ff give me the desktop back properly:
-Use System Settings/Displays to turn off the external monitor before
disconnecting
-Unplug the external monitor before turning it off
-Turn off external monitor before unplugging.

Is there a procedure I'm missing? Or could this be a bug?

Thanks.

Re: Route 66 - GNOME 2x

Jared Jennings — 2013-05-29T22:53:45

That's cool and all, but make it official.
Side things are great, but make sure that everyone knows what you are doing
so that it can benefit others.

An undocumented feature is no feature at all :)

Jared Jennings
http://jaredjennings.org


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Re: gnome3, yet another negative feedback

Adam Tauno Williams — 2013-05-21T17:13:53

There is even a suite of extensions ["Legacy"] for exactly that purpose.


Yep.
<http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com/2011/05/fortnight-with-gnome3.html>
<http://www.whitemiceconsulting.com/2012/09/recommended-gnome3-extensions.html>


I am a heavy keyboarder, and I use DaskToDock as well.  Great extension.


Yep.  

What irks me is the *accusing* developers of not listening to users,
insisting that things be discussed 'in the open', etc...  when all that
was true - the poster(s) just either wasn't around then [and it is now a
then, not a now] and/or chose not to participate.  Someone not choosing
to participate means they don't get heard.  And sometimes someone is
heard - and it still doesn't go that way [has happened to be no small
number of times].  If there is *specifically* something someone doesn't
like then we can discuss that and possible ways to improve it; but the
conspiratorial tone of much of the vitriol simply has no merit in fact.
And a large portion is very 'recycled' and complaints that have b

Re: gnome3, yet another negative feedback

joncr — 2013-05-21T14:27:33

Even then, there are plenty of extensions designed to bring back the old 
panel and menus approach for those who want to stay with that.  And, of 
course, there's MATE, which is really rather good in its 1.6 release.

The best way to use Gnome Shell is to spend a little bit of time using 
it as the designers intend.  Find out what you like and what you don't 
like, then see if you can fix the "don't like" part with extensions.

If you just don't like it and don't want to use it, there are plenty of 
other fish in the sea.  KDE is a fine professional piece of work, for 
example, but I don't like using it.  That's not the fault of the KDE 
developers and designers.

I'm not a heavy keyboard user, so I install the DashToDock extension 
(turns the Dash into a real configurable dock independent of the 
Overview), kill the hot corner and window animations and I'm good to go. 
Thanks to the automatic creation/deletion of work spaces, I can control 
my desktop exclusively via the dock.

It's surprising to me that m

Re: gnome3, yet another negative feedback

Adam Tauno Williams — 2013-05-21T11:38:52

+1

There is a factor here that if someone doesn't want to adapt their
practices - then any new interface is going to be clumsy.  I found GNOME
Shell awkward for about two weeks,

There is simply no doubt that GNOME Shell has greater keyboard
accessibility, and improved accessibility over all.  Accessibility is
now a first-class citizen - even with an accessibility icon right on the
top bar.


Ctrl+Shift+Alt+R for screencast record is the best thing since sliced
bread.

gnome2 lives again...

Sergio de Almeida Lenzi — 2013-05-19T02:05:18

Em Sáb, 2013-05-18 às 16:44 -0600, Marcus Rhodes escreveu:


Indeed there is an "installer"   just install a bare archlinux (only the
base system, and xorg)
than edit the /etc/pacman.conf to put my repo before the [core] label
and
comment the other repositories (extra, community....) leaving only the
gnome2 and core repositories...
fire up a "pacman -Sy gnome2"  so that simple... it installs all the
gnome2
with libreoffice, librecad, gimp, inkscape wicd, gnome-appets (the batt
status working on the knew kernel interface too)...
there is firefox 2.20.1, youtube-dl, inkscape, libreoffice 4.0.3,
librecad, kicad geda pcb, xine, vlc, avidemux2 ekiga
dvdstyler, monodevelop java runtime 7 iced-tea, dia, gthumb, fixed the
gvfsd to work with udisks2, so 
pendrive, dvd, iso plays nice, cheese, the camera works...  of course
there are some bugs, because
the system is only a month of age... but it is 99% useable, I did not
tested cups still,
the main problem is that when you install the gnome2 group it misses
some mod

Re: Route 66 - GNOME 2x

Sergio de Almeida Lenzi — 2013-05-19T02:02:38

Em Sáb, 2013-05-18 às 18:31 -0500, Jared Jennings escreveu:


I do...  using archlinux 
the repo is gnome2, just add ....
[gnome2]
SigLevel = Optional TrustAll
Server = http://gnome2:81/$arch
before the [core]  repo
in a new installed archlinux (with only the base and xorg) installed
than, install gnome2 with the command pacman -Sy gnome2




I would let the "gurus" deal with gnome3, I will stay with gnome2, as
I primary use FreeBSD, that is still in the gnome 2.32 alive and
well... 


gnome3 provides a new "solution" that is quite different from the gnome2
I am 
only letting users choose... those who wants gnome2 will have it... 

I do not expect to be better of worse than gnome2, it is just a matter
of choice
as my servers (and I have a lot...) uses gnome2, why the laptops should
use another Destkop Environmet (DE)?????
users access the FreeBSD servers using vnc, and logs in using gdm 2.18..
but windows is too unstable to 
work with, so I needed an more stable operating system for laptops, so I
choose Li

Route 66 - GNOME 2x

Jared Jennings — 2013-05-18T23:31:15

** This isn't a rant or a rave** :)

We love progress, we love old, we love familiar, we love new. We support Free Software and the accompanying options. It's all about *free* as in liberating. I know several of us have been speaking about why GNOME 2x, which that is fine and all, but really lets be problem solvers not complainers.

So!! Why doesn't someone maintain a 2x branch?

I'm not volunteering for the job; I got my own time problems. - I could be manipulated into it, but I'm sure there are others better qualified and with more time.

It would not be ideal in my opinion; I would rather see the effort spent on 3x.

The Kernel does something similar with Greg KH.

It would appear that GNOME could support this as long as the maintainers realized what they are signing up for.

Again, I don't think it's ideal. I do believe it's better than complaining. I would rather see someone provide solutions for 3x instead.

***** Please do not respond to me, in an effort to point me wrong or right. I'm not taking acti

Re: gnome-list Digest, Vol 109, Issue 9

Marcus Rhodes — 2013-05-18T23:06:55

HUD is the antithesis of the GUI.  What's it even doing there?  Remember
the computers of the 1980s?  You got a blinking command prompt.  And
that was all.  So you flipped open a HUGE book, and started reading
volumes of very poorly written instructions that walked you through a
year or two of computer science before informing you that the way to
find out what programs you could even try to run required a lengthy and
cryptic command string.

Menus! 'Menu-driven' was the jewel in the crown of the then two
competing DEs: Windows and Finder.  The other was standardization.
Prior to Mac and Windows, UI design was a free-for-all.  If there even
were menus, some appeared in the middle of the screen, some in the
top-left corner, others in the bottom-left.  Some required a single
keystroke, other combinations, and some allowed only cursor/arrow key
navigation and selection via the enter key.  Otherwise, one key toggled
between command mode and entry mode, and the command mode was, once
again, our old command-line fr

Re: Well said...

Marcus Rhodes — 2013-05-18T22:44:15

Thank you, Sergio.

"That is why I rebuild gnome2.32 from scratch using an archlinux
distribution (642 modules compilled over a 45 days, with the help of the
FreeBSD ports)
and gnome2.32 is back running in kernel 3.9 with systemd.. compilled
with gcc4.8.  runs very well in a US$300 lenovo g475.. I setted up even
a distribution repo to work with... Several (about 120) users uses it...
(it is distributed in a new samsung momentus 320Gb HD, installs in 5
minutes).
have 10Gb size.. "

You should create an installer.  You could become famous, a hero even.

"Remember that new 3D interface for unix/linux that have a cube and the
user could have 6 desktops running on each side of the cube??? Who uses
it??? it is fantastic but no one uses it any more just because they (the
people) can do things they want using the old interface."

Excellent point!  I would add, who uses it for anything truly practical?
I've had a lot of people try to convince me that they really use the
cube, but I've never seen any benefit to it eve

Well said...

Sergio de Almeida Lenzi — 2013-05-18T18:53:41

Em Sex, 2013-05-17 às 19:14 -0600, Marcus Rhodes escreveu:


not me either


Indeed I stopped to work with kde (not qt) because of these...  Skilled
people (people with skill  on desktop usability) is not more than 5%...
this includes you and perhaps all those in the gnome, freeBSD lists..
Once they learn to work in a way, it is very hard to them to use a new
way even if
that way is more efficient than the other, they will move only if there
is a need to move (they move from dos to windows because they need a
browser an GUI...) Remember that new 3D interface for unix/linux that
have a cube and the user could have 6 desktops running on each side of
the cube??? Who uses it??? it is fantastic but no one uses it any more
just because they (the people) can do things they want using the old
interface... They do not move from windows to Linux because linux is
better, if they can do what they need to do on windows.. If you must
create a "new" need, people has move  to the new (android, ios for
example...) interface

Re: gnome3, yet another negative feedback

Marco Scannadinari — 2013-05-18T13:03:53

        I don't get you! Never ever has Gnome been so usable with only a
        keyboard. I mean lauch a program ex firefox with 3 keypresses
        ('windows key, then f, then enter) try to be that fast in
        terminal or in Gnome2 ;) !

Well, I can get to epiphany or firefox with the first three characters
then a [tab] key:
    epi[tab] == epiphany
    fir[tab] == firefox

Then enter. I like the shell a lot and its search function, but I just
wanted to defend the terminal :).

        In my opinion the same holds for the mouse with all the buttons.
        You use  the left click to work in current context, right click
        for more options in current context, middle click to open a new
        context, the wheel to do all sorts of scrolling. I think there
        are hardly any functions missing?

I think a lot of the critisism is because of the lack of familiarity and
often the removal of features without either end-user-consultance /
warning or an obvious reason (ie. Removal of transparency op