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Re: Fwd: using OSM in our commercial application

Frederik Ramm — 2012-05-16T11:09:36

Hi,

On 05/16/2012 12:39 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote:

Sure.

Bye
Frederik

Re: Fwd: using OSM in our commercial application

Janko Mihelić — 2012-05-16T10:39:31

What if I am selling an application that uses OSM tiles for background, and
users of the application can put their data over the background. So, I am
distributing the application with the osm tiles, but users aren't
distributing their data.

Does this mean that they can do that, until they decide to put their data
with the tiles online?

Thanks,
Janko.

2012/5/15 Mayeul Kauffmann <mayeul.kauffmann-GANU6spQydw< at >public.gmane.org>

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Re: Licensing and other legal discussions.

Alberto I. Oses Navarro — 2012-05-15T13:15:22

Sorry, my error that I didn't read it correctly.

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Re: Attributing Sources used in OSM

Robert Whittaker (OSM — 2012-05-15T07:52:41

Thanks for the replies so far. Is there anyone who can give official
confirmation as to whether
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors is the right place for
attribution statements? And does anyone know how you go about
proposing (and getting agreement for) a change to
http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright so that it also directs users
to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors ?

Thanks,

Robert.

On 9 May 2012 09:08, Robert Whittaker (OSM)
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Re: Fwd: using OSM in our commercial application

Mayeul Kauffmann — 2012-05-14T22:21:37

Hi,

Le dimanche 13 mai 2012 à 18:47 +0400, Алексей Бадьянов a écrit :

The question seems clear enough to me.
Please note that this is not a legal advice (just a forum of users).

You will find answers to many of your questions here:
http://http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ
In particular:
"If I have data derived from OSM data, do I have to distribute it?
The licence does not force you to distribute or make any data available.
But if you do choose to distribute it, or anything derived from it, it
must be under the same licence terms as the OSM data."

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Common_licence_interpretations
"I want to use OSM data with my GPS routing/mapping/other application.
Do I have licence the application under the OSM licence?
If the application is separate and independent, you do not need to
licence it under the OSM licence. However, if you distribute OSM derived
data with the application, that must be distributed under the OSM
licence. " (note the warning: "The in

Re: Fwd: using OSM in our commercial application

Alberto I. Oses Navarro — 2012-05-14T13:20:40

And what would be the question?


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Fwd: using OSM in our commercial application

Алексей Бадьянов — 2012-05-13T14:47:42

Dear legal talkers,

we are currently developing Scheduling software that should show vehicle routes and GPS positions on the map.
Can we use Open Street Map for this in case we are not opening the sources to the public?

many thanks for you help

Re: FW: NLSF & OSM license check / comments needed

Dominik Röttsches — 2012-05-11T07:30:29

Hi Pekka, Michael,

(sorry for opening a new thread - I wasn't subscribed to the list 
before and can't add the message references properly now.)


I got in touch with NLSF before I knew about Pekka's efforts and I 
think we're on a good way to resolve this particular issue. I am 
currently in touch with them about a statement regarding this particular 
clause of the license. It seems that for them a wide interpretation of 
this clause is acceptable. I will post updates about the progress of 
this discussion with NLSF.

Good to see that you've also addressed additional items such as adding 
NLSF to the Attribution page etc.

Regards,

Dominik






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Re: FW: NLSF & OSM license check / comments needed

Michael Collinson — 2012-05-10T16:01:48

Hi Pekka,

Thanks for taking this on. I have put some comments in-line. The usual 
caveat, IANAL!

There is a problem wíth 2.2 "require third parties to provide the same 
information when granting rights to copies of dataset(s) or products and 
services containing such data and"

This should be theoretically OK under CC-BY-SA but does imply that any 
user of OSM data is going to have to check whether it contains it 
contains NLSF data and attribute, even on a map. The impracticability of 
this was a major reason for moving away from CC-BY-SA.

ODbL does not force map makers to attribute each and every contributor. 
This is by design but would violate this NLSF requirement.  We had the 
same problem with the Ordnance Survey in the UK. I can email you the 
text that I sent them to explain the issue.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution is the "official" place. 
  Merging the two together in some way is an LWG TODO.
You can do it.  The attribution given to the Ordance Survey can be used 
as a templa

Re: Best-Practise to use OSM data in games

Thomas Trocha — 2012-05-10T15:33:04

Thx for your reply and informative statements. Actually I thought the
data would have been released under ODbl since 1st April,... But I think
until any game would be ready to be released the new license will have
been activated. :D 

Btw, thx to Frederik for forwarding my posting from
help.openstreetmap.org to this much more appropriate place. Just to be
complete here his statement from the help-site:

Frederik Ramm:
"First off osm have not changed its license yet. It is still on CC
BY-SA.

Copyright is the rights of a work after it is published, you and your
users can have data derrived from osm data unpublished without any
problems. That means that any data your users generate based on osm data
that is not published does not have to be under any license, and you are
not forced to publish it.

CC BY-SA and ODbL does not require you to hand out the data on request,
or in a human readable format. But the data you do release in whatever
for or to whomever you release it to have to be released under an open
li

Re: Best-Practise to use OSM data in games

Jonathan Harley — 2012-05-10T14:19:48

My replies below relate only to ODbL.
(Under the current CC-BY-SA, the game itself would probably have to be 
distributed as CC-BY-SA.)


Yes. It doesn't even have to be human-readable, like XML; ODbL says 
"machine readable". Binary is fine as long as there is information on 
how a machine can read it.


I think you're right that the "live data", including "fantasy data" 
created by the user, is a derivative database, assuming the new fantasy 
items are placed in locations that are influenced by the locations of 
OSM features. But it's not necessary to provide a way of accessing it, 
if that player's data is not published to anyone else.


I think you would have to provide either the converter or the derived 
database, because you're publishing it to players; but you can't 
reasonably require someone to sign up as a player just to get your 
derivative database. You have to make it available to anyone who asks, 
player or not.

If one player's data is published to other players, ie if it's a 
multi-player g

Best-Practise to use OSM data in games

Frederik Ramm — 2012-05-10T13:01:54

I am re-posting this from 
http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/12656/best-practise-to-use-osm-data-in-games. 
The original author is "dertom95".

              -------------------------------

Is there really a way to use osm-data in games that comply the odbl?

I will try to play this through using the example of a "virtual" 
game:"Simcity OSM" and Mark questions with Qn:

Let's say the game should use only street,river and rail-data and the 
task of the game would be to build up a new city based on the given 
osm-data.

Workflow: 1) I build a converter that takes osm-data and produces the 
reduced data (filtering streets,rails,rivers and mapping to my own 
coordinate-system). Since this already is a derivate this data is under 
odbl again. There seems to be two options:

a)provide the data as data-files

b)provide the converter that produces the filtered data in readable-form 
(e.g. xml)

Q1) Is that right understood? If choosing b) The game itself can use a 
proprietary version of that data?

2) The g

FW: NLSF & OSM license check / comments needed

Pekka Sarkola — 2012-05-10T10:25:27

Sorry,

 

I think I choose first wrong email list.

 

Pekka

 

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From: Pekka Sarkola [mailto:pekka-WYc8CWcT+gE< at >public.gmane.org] 
Sent: 10. toukokuuta 2012 13:15
To: 'legal-general-3+rWM/WnaLOn4i5uJCXUsti2O/JbrIOy< at >public.gmane.org'
Subject: NLSF & OSM license check / comments needed

 

Dear Friends,

 

This legal-lists seem to be quite quiet. So, maybe you all have plenty of
time to discuss about National Land Survey of Finland (NLSF) license vs. OSM
licenses.

 

As you may know, NLSF has released all their topographic information for
free use. Their license is open, more open than OSM (CC-BY-SA or ODbL). I
think. You can read NLSF's license terms:
http://www.maanmittauslaitos.fi/en/NLS_open_data_licence_version1_20120501

 

It seems that quite OSMers in Finland like to benefit NLSF data sets. We
have good discussion going on about imports,  background map/imagery usage
etc. Mainly discussions will be in Finnish on I

Re: Attributing Sources used in OSM

Andy Robinson — 2012-05-09T09:29:05

place to put
to
trail
further

It would seem that the "Our contributors" section of the
http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright should either contain the contents of
the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors page of take visitors
directly to it. Maintaining an ever changing main page is clearly not
sustainable.

Cheers
Andy

Re: Attributing Sources used in OSM

David Groom — 2012-05-09T09:28:18

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That would seem a good first step.

It does of course leave open the question as to why some data providers are 
listed on the "copyright" page, and others on the "contributors" page.  I'm 
not sure if this is deliberate, or just the nature of different people 
editing the wiki and putting things in different places.

David

Attributing Sources used in OSM

Robert Whittaker (OSM — 2012-05-09T08:08:17

I've just been given permission to use some UK Local Government data
relating to Public Footpaths and other Rights of Way in OpenStreetMap,
under the terms of the Open Government License (OGL) [1]. In return
the County Council is asking for a standard attribution based on the
example given in the license. So far, so good.

Assuming that local mappers agree if and how we make use of the data
(ongoing discussion on the talk-gb lists), can I check that the right
place to put this attribution would be in the wiki at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors ?

Secondly, if that's the case, then surely there needs to be an obvious
way to reach that page from the main OSM page. From
http://www.openstreetmap.org/ , I can easily get to
http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright by following the "Copyright &
License" link in the left-hand bar. But, unless I'm missing something,
the trail then runs cold. That page contains a few attribution
statements / acknowledgements for major data providers, but I'd have
thought

Re: BC Open Government License

Paul Norman — 2012-05-04T17:48:39

I've added DataBC to the wiki page. I've had a look at the data and I don't
foresee any imports taking place but I do see some of the layers being
useful for references (e.g. names of highway rest areas) as well as for
pointing out where there is something to map.

It looks like the data from the large complex data sets is already included
in datasets we can already use like CanVec.

The origin of the data is well documented and it's all from government
ministries. There's always the chance that they mistakenly included some
third-party data but that's possible with any data source.

I'm still working on trying to get the raw GeoTIFFs from DataBC instead of
just access to the openmaps server.

Re: BC Open Government License

Michael Collinson — 2012-05-04T13:36:14

Thanks Paul, this is good news.  These kinds of license are appearing in 
a number of countries and are a great way of providing open geodata by 
governmental organisations.

One small correction, but a positive one:  The license is based on the 
pure UK Open Government License [1] rather than the one used by the UK 
OS OpenData. The Ordnance Survey use an adultered version which is not 
necessarily compatible with OSM; we had to get explicit clarification 
from them to use data.

I've just read through the BC license and my conclusion is also it is 
compatible with our contributor terms in conjunction with ODbL, CC-BY-SA 
or a future license provided that on our official attribution page [2] 
we attribute them (5a) and state that we have not official status (5b).  
The existing OS attribution can be used as a model. A link to a separate 
project web-page describing the data and how we use it would also help 
with 5c.

My only caution is 7c (third party rights) but agree with Paul's 
conclusion. My guess is

OpenStreetMap attribution in iPhoto

Richard Weait — 2012-05-03T18:07:33

Looks like Apple is now crediting OpenStreetMap in version 1.0.1 of iPhoto,
as reported by OSMer Beelsebob, on #osm IRC  :-)

http://cl.ly/421B0u2r0u0J3o0I3e3s

BC Open Government License

Paul Norman — 2012-05-02T23:17:04

The BC government has released data under the Open Government License for
Government of BC Information[1] which is based on the same license used for
OS OpenData information[2]. OS OpenData can be used in OSM[3]

The OGL BC is, broadly speaking, an attribution only license that makes
allowances for attribution where combining information from multiple
sources.

The only potential concerns are under section 7, exemptions, and section 10,
governing law.

7a and 7b cover information that the FIPPA act prohibits the disclosure of.
The government does not have the authority to grant permission to use
information FIPPA prevents the disclosure of so even if these clauses were
not present it would not change what they had licensed.[4]

In practice this is a non-issue since the type of data that would be of
interest to OSM is not personal information that the government is
prohibited from disclosing. These terms are also of the BC equivalent of the
OS terms.

7c states that the government does not license what it doe

Re: Confirmirmation on Natural England OGL data required

Michael Collinson — 2012-04-30T17:07:01

A cautious yes but.

Natural England is using two licenses [1]. The "Open Government License" 
and the munged "Natural England and Ordnance Survey Open Government 
Licence 
<http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/Images/open-government-licence-NE-OS_tcm6-30743.pdf>"

Your Google docs is the pure "Open Government License" and your quoted 
www.naturalengland.org.uk webpage also suggests this. However, you might 
want to email them and double check.

If the pure "Open Government License", then you are fine. Just add to 
our Attribution page [3]. I suggest text like this:

"Contains xxxx data from from Natural England © Natural England 
copyright [year] and which contains Ordnance Survey data © Crown 
copyright and database right [year].
Natural England does not endorse OpenStreetMap or OpenStreetMap's use of 
Natural England data." plus a link to their license.

A separate wiki project page about the data and an entry in the Import 
Catalogue [4] are also very helpful.

The but bit:  The "Natural England and Ordna