gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.general

Re: Re: Are Yahoo Groups going away? If so, where does that leave Hercules?

Pau Amma — 2012-05-16T19:29:02


Or BITNET?


More like 1/2^4 here...

Raspberry Pi runs Hercules!

Ray Mullins — 2012-05-16T15:36:19

Build a Raspberry Pi, install Hercules and one of the VM/370 n-packs, and
Bob's your uncle!

http://www.designspark.com/content/my-raspberry-pi-thinks-its-mainframe

Low-cost mainframe software development environment

ron.hilton — 2012-05-16T15:11:56

This is not directly related to Hercules, but I assume that many of you like
me have specific requirements in a low-cost mainframe software development
environment which for a various reasons Hercules may not be able to meet. I
have found an internet-based outsourcer that I have used now for a year and
a half which has provided outstanding service at a reasonable rate (in which
I have no direct financial interest but do have a cooperative testing
arrangement). Feel free to contact me off list if are interested, to avoid
adding any more off-topic traffic here than necessary.

 

Ron Hilton

801-272-0058



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Re: Are Yahoo Groups going away? If so, where does that leave Hercules?

somitcw — 2012-05-15T16:43:07

--- In hercules-390-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw< at >public.gmane.org,
"peter_flass" <peter_flass< at >...> wrote:

   I believe that Eric used Rexx?  Your Rexx support
might need to be upgraded to handle more?

   ListServ was designed for BITNet but today would
use SMTP over the Internet.  If the online part is
implemented, it would also need TCP/IP.

   Current ListServ free runs on Windows, MAC, and Unix
including AIX, FreeBSD, Linux.  The for-charge ListServ
also runs on VM systems but might expect something newer
than VM/370.

   The free ListServ only allows 10 lists with no more
than 500 members each.  For-charge is more expensive.

RE: Re: Are Yahoo Groups going away? If so, where does that leave Hercules?

Fuzzy Zabriskie — 2012-05-15T14:01:51

actually, not that bad an idea. 
that or something like mailman or similar email based mailing listmanagers on a unix / linux system?

To: hercules-390-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw< at >public.gmane.org
From: peter_flass-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 13:20:43 +0000
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: Are Yahoo Groups going away? If so, where does that leave Hercules?

      --- In hercules-390-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw< at >public.gmane.org, Kevin Monceaux <Kevin< at >...> wrote:

This being a Hercules list, how about LISTSERV on VM/370 running on Hercules?

[this is only 1/2 in jest]

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Re: Are Yahoo Groups going away? If so, where does that leave Hercules?

peter_flass — 2012-05-15T13:20:43

This being a Hercules list, how about LISTSERV on VM/370 running on Hercules?

[this is only 1/2 in jest]

Re: Trying to get networking working

Robert Prins — 2012-05-15T11:51:45

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:05 PM, "Fish" (David B. Trout)
<fish-6N/dkqvhA+1g9hUCZPvPmw< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

Thank you, now it does show the adaptors, so I'm a little bit further.

Robert
--
Robert AH Prins
robert.ah.prins-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org

Re: Are Yahoo Groups going away? If so, where does that leave Hercules?

t.bottomley — 2012-05-15T09:09:09

I for one, wouldn't be able to access newsnet groups. 

The country I am in censors them almost completely and no ISP offers access to them. Unless someone knows of a public server to access them from :)

As already mentioned, something with mailing list functionality is the rock bottom requirement, being able to browse / search them online is a definite plus. 

Rgds,
 Tom.

Re: Re: Are Yahoo Groups going away? If so, where does that leave Hercules?

Dave Wade — 2012-05-15T07:22:49

Greg,

   I think relying on a single individual to do anything is more 
dangerous than Yahoo. The fact that folks loose interest or worse still 
fall out with some one in the group and leave can make a big hole in 
resources. By the way there is a Yahoo Group Managers Forum at:-

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/GroupManagersForum/

if folks are interested in what others are saying its well worth 
dropping in there, its an open group, so you only need to join to post. 
It has pointers to tools to backup groups in the links section, so if 
any one has important info they want to save they can try these. These 
are viewable by any one, not just group members.

Dave

Re: Re: Are Yahoo Groups going away? If so, where does that leave Hercules?

Gregg Levine — 2012-05-15T02:48:17

Hello!
On one other occasion Jay had offered to run list server software on
his domain. Originally it was that annoying concept of Majordomo
software, but ideally I'd prefer it comes to that to be Lsoft based
list server software or the thing running on Source Forge which is
Mailman. Both Mailman and Majordomo were naturally freely available,
at least Mailman is, I'm not sure at Majordomo. That one just does not
like Google Mail.

Jay what have you yourself heard from Yahoo? I've heard gornischt
(nothing) regarding the groups I manage for the fellow in that part of
LA county.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

Re: Are Yahoo Groups going away? If so, where does that leave Hercules?

Kevin Monceaux — 2012-05-15T02:41:21

 

How in the world does trouble at Yahoo put the Hercules site at risk?  The
Hercules site is http://www.Hercules-390.org.

Re: Are Yahoo Groups going away? If so, where does that leave Hercules?

Robert Hodge — 2012-05-15T02:05:30


--- In hercules-390-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw< at >public.gmane.org, "somitcw" <somitcw< at >...> wrote:

I am not implying that Yahoo Groups is definitely going away, but this Yahoo product has very little to no advertising, and that's where Yahoo gets its money.  Further, when Scott Thompson was forced out, Yahoo did not renounce this plan to drop 50 of its most unprofitable product lines.  Even if they don't act today, Yahoo is in trouble and that puts the Hercules site at risk.

RE: Trying to get networking working

"Fish" (David B. Trout — 2012-05-14T22:10:58


One more helpful tip:

You can use the "net helpmsg nnn" command to determine what any given return code means:


   Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
   Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.

   C:\Users\Fish> net helpmsg 5

   Access is denied.


   C:\Users\Fish> net helpmsg 2

   The system cannot find the file specified.


   C:\Users\Fish> net helpmsg 123

   The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect.


   C:\Users\Fish>


   (...etc...)

RE: Trying to get networking working

"Fish" (David B. Trout — 2012-05-14T22:05:12

<snip>
[... more of same ...]

All Hercules related binaries need to run as Administrator:

  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-390/message/62223


Do this for both TT64Test.exe and *especially* FWPCUtil.exe.

If you run Hercules using HercGUI, then do it for HercGUI as well.

If you run Hercules from the command line without the GUI, then you need to use an Administrator Command Prompt, not a regular Command Prompt: right-click on the "Command Prompt" link in your Start menu and select "Run as administrator".

This issue is already corrected in the new version.

Re: Are Yahoo Groups going away? If so, where does that leave Hercules?

somitcw — 2012-05-14T21:54:56

--- In hercules-390-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw< at >public.gmane.org,
"\"Fish\" \(David B. Trout\)" <fish< at >...> wrote:

   Since Yahoo CEO Scott Thompson first:

1. Made the announcement that some unknown Yahoo services
would be discontinued but didn't specify if Yahoo Groups
was or was not included.

2. Was fired for padding his resume.

3. Announced that he has thyroid cancer before "resigning".

   Should we discuss until there is some solid information?

RE: OT: Re: Are Yahoo Groups going away? If so, where does that leave Hercules?

"Fish" (David B. Trout — 2012-05-14T21:40:39

[...]

Hear! Hear! STRONGLY seconded!

RE: Re: Are Yahoo Groups going away? If so, where does that leave Hercules?

"Fish" (David B. Trout — 2012-05-14T21:37:14

<snip>

Amen to that, brother!

OT: Re: Are Yahoo Groups going away? If so, where does that leave Hercules?

peter_flass — 2012-05-14T20:41:51

I'm not pushing either, but one advantage of usenet is that those who prefer Google can also access the list thru Google Groups.

Re: OT: Re: Are Yahoo Groups going away? If so, where does that leave Hercules?

Kevin Monceaux — 2012-05-14T19:43:54


Please, please, no forums, unless it's some type of forum/mailing list
combo.  Mailing lists are much easier to keep up with.

Re: OT: Re: Are Yahoo Groups going away? If so, where does that leave Hercules?

Harold Bell — 2012-05-14T19:22:14

It is only a suggestion, but I run VintageBigBlue.org and intend to for life if 
only as a hobby (the google ads have not gotten me a single check yet).  I would 
be willing to put whatever forum software the group prefers on the site as long 
as it is open source/free and will run on Centos 6.  I would generally bend over 
backwards to please the four main hercules yahoo groups 
(hercules-390,DOS,MVS,VM370).  I would want to keep the google ads but would 
listen to input on the number and location of them.  There would be much more 
room for a downloads section (no 10Mb limit).  It is something the groups might 
want to think about as an alternative to a site where they have no input/control 
over.

Buddy





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Re: OT: Re: Are Yahoo Groups going away? If so, where does that leave Hercules?

John P. Hartmann — 2012-05-14T19:18:13

Hand up those who referred to a message from 2010, in yahoo, without the
help of google.  Google also has the option to show you its own copy rather
than the one it copied.  Very useful when stuff disappear.

On 14 May 2012 20:17, Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:



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