http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/542 <pre>Find below the mailing list statistics for 2013-05-19 This e-mail has been automatically generated without human interaction. Listaddress Normal Digest Nomail Total # Msgs ---------------------------------------------+--------+--------+--------+--------+-------- announce&lt; at &gt;bg.libreoffice.org 5 0 0 5 0 discuss&lt; at &gt;bg.libreoffice.org 5 1 0 6 1 users&lt; at &gt;bg.libreoffice.org 5 1 0 6 0 announce&lt; at &gt;bn.libreoffice.org 5 1 0 6 1 discuss&lt; at &gt;bn.libreoffice.org 5 1 1 7 4 users&lt; at &gt;bn.libreoffice.org 5 1 0 6 3 lokalizace&lt; at &gt;cz.libreoffice.org 4 0 0 4 7 uzivatele&lt; at &gt;cz.libreoffice.org 7 0 0 </pre> Florian Effenberger 2013-05-19T00:00:01 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/541 <pre>Hello, I've fixed a small bug, and the test list is now available at GMANE again. It was my fault, I've accidentially deleted their subscription. ;-) Florian </pre> Florian Effenberger 2013-05-17T11:20:08 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/540 <pre>Hello, as the migration to mlmmj is done, and I need to evaluate some other topics (e.g. a possible connection between Google+ and a mailing list), I have unsubscribed all of you as moderators as well as subscribers from the test&lt; at &gt; mailing list, so I don't spam you with my work. ;-) Of course, feel free to resubscribe anytime. Florian </pre> Florian Effenberger 2013-05-17T11:10:44 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/539 <pre>Hi Sophie, Sophie Gautier wrote on 2013-05-17 10:23: indeed something has changed - during the migration of mlmmj I have seen that the bounce processing didn't work reliably, which it now does. What happens is that when a message is bounced, mlmmj takes note of that. If addresses bounce for a week, they are unsubscribed. If some messages bounce, such an informational message is sent, which is what your users are seeing. Can you maybe forward me such an info message? I'd like to check which messages were affected. Either some have been marked as spam and thus refused, or we need to lower the sending level to those sites. I recall that certain .fr sites were really complicated to deal with in the early days, with no postmaster to contact :/ Florian </pre> Florian Effenberger 2013-05-17T08:34:23 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/538 <pre>Hi Flo, Christian, Some subscribers of the users&lt; at &gt;fr list seems to have issues (since about 3 weeks) with some messages sent by Mlmmj, all about messages from the list that can't be delivered. My translation: [Some messages can't be delivered. If you see this message, that means that every thing has come back to normal now and it is only for information]. It seems that this happens with users who have &lt; at &gt;wanadoo or &lt; at &gt;orange addresses. Is there something we can do on our side? Kind regards Sophie </pre> Sophie Gautier 2013-05-17T08:23:29 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/537 <pre>Hi guys, First of all, thanks Florian for your mail about staying on-topic - it was completely right. Personally, I receive enough garbage in my mailbox not to welcome more sent via a mailing list that I specifically allow as useful/desired content. Secondly, I'd certainly warn the moderators about engaging in conversations with people who are actually the source of spam and off-topic content that we are supposed to be filtering out. It's surprising what can actually be learned about you/us and used against your intentions by interacting with these people... Just a little 2 cents. I'll return to the background now. David Nelson On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 2:08 PM, anne-ology &lt;laginnis&lt; at &gt;gmail.com&gt; wrote: </pre> David Nelson 2013-05-16T16:36:17 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/536 <pre>Hello, during the last days, we have seen a huge amount of discussions, mostly offtopic. I'd like to remind everyone about the purpose of this mailing list - discussion amongst list moderators for topics specifically concerning list moderation, nothing else. I have seen several people unsubscribing from this list and writing to me in private that they left because of the sheer amount of offtopic discussions. Moderators unsubscribing from this list renders its purpose useless. As much as I love that the community also discusses other topics, even non-LibreOffice ones, I really have to ask to stay ontopic on the lists. In the future, I see no other choice than putting those on forced moderation who will continously write offtopic e-mails. I really dislike doing so, but in the light of the recent events, this seems to be my only option. Losing people who are distracted and upset because of offtopic discussions is poison for the community. Note that I am not specifically targetting any person or </pre> Florian Effenberger 2013-05-16T14:15:44 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/535 <pre> Oops, I forgot - I'm sorry, friend. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Rogerio Luz Coelho &lt;luz.rogerio&lt; at &gt;gmail.com&gt;wrote: Thanks ... but we do not speak Spanish ... we do speak Portuguese tho , so </pre> anne-ology 2013-05-16T14:08:57 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/534 <pre>Hi :) Thanks, that does make sense.  We just have to spot the message on the appropriate list. Regards from Tom :)  </pre> Tom Davies 2013-05-16T13:13:00 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/533 <pre>Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-05-16 11:51: thanks - I'll monitor the issue. I have the gut feeling that there are some bugs in the new mlmmj release, but so far, I didn't see any pattern. Florian </pre> Florian Effenberger 2013-05-16T09:52:24 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/532 <pre>Let me know if there is anythign i can do to help test this issue out any further. On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Florian Effenberger &lt; floeff&lt; at &gt;documentfoundation.org&gt; wrote: </pre> Jonathan Aquilina 2013-05-16T09:51:20 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/531 <pre>Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2013-05-16 11:42: according to the logs: no. Indeed, the mail seems to have been sent out twice, although it's only in the archive once. Strange... Florian </pre> Florian Effenberger 2013-05-16T09:50:13 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/530 <pre>This email ended up on the list first then moderated. did someone else moderate this email and release before i got the email of it being moderated? On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 11:38 AM, &lt;mirrors+owner&lt; at &gt;documentfoundation.org&gt;wrote: </pre> Jonathan Aquilina 2013-05-16T09:42:08 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/529 <pre>Hi Anne, *, On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:17 PM, anne-ology &lt;laginnis&lt; at &gt;gmail.com&gt; wrote: As the explanation that follows is rather longish, here the short-form: the decision whether a mail is spam or legitimate is fast, moderators know immediately whether to let it pass or ignore it. Replying to moderate it is fast as well. Much faster than reading an additional mail, so any notices about what actions one moderator did take are not needed. But here's the long version about why letting the group know "what's happening" doesn't make sense. There are a total of 3 cases, and in neither a forwarded mail makes sense. 1) you let the mail pass to the list → moderators will see the mail on the list → that is their notification that they don't need to take action (even if they do, nothing happens, the mail won't be delivered twice to the list) 2) you don't let the mail pass because it is obvious spam → other moderators will also know this is spam and not let them pass. Sending a note "this is spam" is tel</pre> Christian Lohmaier 2013-05-16T09:15:19 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/528 <pre>Hello, Tom Davies wrote on 2013-05-16 08:09: hope I can help here a bit. Please do *not* forward messages you have moderated, particularly those you have rejected, to others. It adds more amount of work to them and fills their inboxes. Plus, in case you forward spam messages that also contain the LibreOffice URL (e.g. via the +reject address), you definitely risk that our (!) mail server is blocked for forwarding spam, or rather some of our URLs for appearing in spam e-mails. This risk is not just a theory - it happened several times in the past. Please just moderate a message through or reject it, that's it. Very easy. ;-) Florian </pre> Florian Effenberger 2013-05-16T07:35:11 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/527 <pre>already been moderated if anyone else does the same thing and the message has already been moderated nothing happens. </pre> Jonathan Aquilina 2013-05-16T06:12:19 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/526 <pre>Hi :) There are a whole bunch of us that are new here and we are still trying to find the optimal work-flow.  Anne's seems to make sense to me but obviously people that have been here longer either 1.  don't mind duplicating each others work a lot of the time or 2.  they have some cunning way of "magically knowing" when someone else has moderated a message.  Some of us noobs here can't believe it's number 1 but it does seem like that might be the case.  I assumed Simos' suggestion was a joke made through frustration.  Once we understand it better things should settle down and we might be able to help other noobs more easily in the future.  Apols and regards from Tom :)  </pre> Tom Davies 2013-05-16T06:09:05 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/525 <pre>On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Simos Xenitellis &lt; simos.lists&lt; at &gt;googlemail.com&gt; wrote: Isnt that why we have the lists moderated in order to moderate them to ensure spam doesnt get to the lists from those not subscribed? why add another step? </pre> Jonathan Aquilina 2013-05-16T05:25:42 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/524 <pre>Thanks ... but we do not speak Spanish ... we do speak Portuguese tho , so it would be Bom Dia Senhor ;) R. 2013/5/15 anne-ology &lt;laginnis&lt; at &gt;gmail.com&gt; </pre> Rogerio Luz Coelho 2013-05-16T00:30:36 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/523 <pre>Hi :) I'm not sure if i'm late to some of the posts or early or if i'm earlier than late or later than early or just confused. Regards from Tom :)  </pre> Tom Davies 2013-05-15T21:05:52 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators/522 <pre>Is it possible to get the senders to perform an extra task, like clicking a link in order to verify that the e-mail is not spam, then we can check whether it was indeed spam or not? Simos On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:50 PM, V Stuart Foote &lt;VStuart.Foote&lt; at &gt;utsa.edu&gt;wrote: </pre> Simos Xenitellis 2013-05-15T20:51:59 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.comp.documentfoundation.moderators