http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11140 <pre>Lorenzo and Chris, I hear you but as a music teacher and music software evangelist, it is huge when I can push an app that runs on multiple platforms to an education audience. I do all of my most important audio work in Linux because of Rosegarden and I don't see that changing after Windows and Mac ports exist but the fact that I can hand someone the app for their platform of choice and have them walk away from a workshop I have done being able to use it with students immediately is huge. I am versed enough in Windows and Mac OS that I can usually help them with any mulitplatform opensource music app that I use regularly. I use Rosegarden in my classroom to teach composition to middle school age students. I have a handful of kids that have Linux installed at home. For my Windows and Mac users, I usually have to hand them MuseScore which is a great notation program but just doesn't do things that Rosegarden does well. Dave On 5/16/12 3:30 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: ----------------------------------------</pre> David Tisdell 2012-05-17T00:26:46 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11139 <pre>I'd like to point out that my examples are broken again. Track 9 should in all cases be a second drum track. But it comes up as a non-percussion track in the wrong key instead. I do this to make the notation more manageable since cymbals and hi-hat are all notated as sharp notes whereas kick, snare and toms are all naturals. This arrangement used to work in earlier versions of RG but now it doesn't. Not actually sure if this is an issue with RG or Fluidsynth. In any case, changing track 9 so that it uses instrument 10 fixes the problem. Sorry if I seem to be so persistently anal about a few example tunes, but since the tunes are in C major, E minor and G minor having some repetitive notes banging away in B major really does create a godawful cacophony. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions w</pre> steve conrad 2012-05-16T23:53:16 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11138 <pre> I agree with Chris. I will add that now a days installing a Linux flavour is really easy, and personally Rosegarden (plus some other software) together with the improved easiness of installing Linux was the motive for me to get back to it and eventually switch, after hard times trying to get it to work at the end of the 1990s. That's to say I would stick and focus to Linux, and who knows this may attract other users. My two cents. Lorenzo. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ </pre> Lorenzo Sutton 2012-05-16T19:30:35 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11137 <pre> Here's getting it from the Rosegarden source-code repository: https://rosegarden.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/rosegarden/trunk/rosegarden/ https://rosegarden.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/rosegarden/trunk/rosegarden/scripts/ https://rosegarden.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/rosegarden/trunk/rosegarden/scripts/ins2rgd.pl I'm not a Perl guru, but can fumble around if need to. If you have problem running the script to convert certain .INS file(s), I can probably help take a look at a couple of those if I can find the time, first come first serve -- no guarrantee what-so-ever. But first, run the script if you can, capture the errors, and the resulting output file. Post and attach tar/zip copy of those files to this mailing list, so other people can help out, or learn by fumble-around on their own if they want. It's Rosegarden related, so it's not off-topic on this list. Jimmy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusi</pre> jimmy 2012-05-16T15:45:51 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11136 <pre> I run Kubuntu 12.04 with the KXstudio multimedia extensions and Rosegarden 11.11.42 from whatever repo KXstudio installed when it was installed. http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Main_Page While this is an excellent environment for sequencing MIDI, it becomes such a bastardized distro to maintain that I wouldn't have the first clue whom to approach with such a suggestion. My thinking is that the Rosegarden Developers should change the initial package so that the script is placed in ~/.local/share/rosegarden/library right alongside the RGD files with a README at compile time as a standard compile/make option. If any user is dealing with RGD issues, that would be the very first place they'd look and they wouldn't have to worry about root permissions if they are limited users on the system. Regards, Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape ha</pre> Gary G. 2012-05-16T11:49:27 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11135 <pre> You should do a bug report on the bug reporting system of your distro (Ubuntu / Debian) asking the distro packagers to include this script in the next package update. The script is quite hidden as all other scripts in the /scripts/ directory in the source code appear to be build or development related (of no use to normal users), so I imagine the packagers never noticed this script. I will certainly include this script in the next update of my Redhat / Centos / SL Rosegarden package. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ </pre> Andy 2012-05-16T10:03:54 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11134 <pre> I use 11.11.42 installed from Debian Sid repository, and there's no such script on my system, either. Sounds like the package maintainer isn't including them, or maybe you need to have the -src package installed, too? </pre> david 2012-05-16T08:21:52 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11133 <pre> The thing is, that most of us don't install Rosegarden from Tarballs. 99% of us use whatever package manager comes with our distros. I can state categorically that there is no such script included with the *buntu distros out there. The command line syntax is listed within the comments of the script itself. Anyway, neither here nor there, it seems to work ok with the program patches and controllers but seems to have trouble interpreting the combi patches on my Korg TR. It's not a perfect solution but at least it's a working one. I had to do some minor tweaking in the Rosegarden RGD editor but I did manage to at least get the program patches working. BTW, the Cakewalk/Sonar INS file is based on the MIDI standard and hasn't really changed in the past 20 years or so, Regards, Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT mana</pre> Gary G. 2012-05-16T07:31:59 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11132 <pre> Actually I just checked and that script is still included in the current rosegarden source code tarball, you can find it under /scripts/. Here are some instructions on how to use it: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/5102 If the rgd file format and the ins file format hasn't changed since 2005 , then the script should still work fine. Let us know how you get on with it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ </pre> Andy 2012-05-16T00:33:11 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11131 <pre> It looks like 7 years ago the developers of Rosegarden had indeed been developing such a script. A fellow by the name of Pedro Lopez-Cabanillos was working on exactly this problem with a perl script called ins2rgd.pl Somehow it seems the project simply vanished or lost interest. Here's one of the threads regarding this. http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/5107 And here's the only working link I could find to any actual version of the script. http://www.koders.com/perl/fid0B8CD4AE74BB2A1553B928B4BBE8BC4C405E909B.aspx?s=none I've run a few tests and so far it doesn't seem to be producing the required output, however, I'll play around with it for a bit and see if I can get it to work. The comments mention some hard coded variables that may have to be changed to get it to work properly. Here's a few links I've found on the Cakewalk INS definitions format. http://www.raisedbar.net/InsDef.htm http://tse3.sourceforge.net/doc/InsFiles.html http://www.tweakheadz.com/how_to_buil</pre> Gary G. 2012-05-15T09:59:54 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11128 <pre>On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Chris Cannam &lt;cannam-8XHTaEMpybawskZW6HU+u9vLeJWuRmrY&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; wrote: One thing I have noticed in the development of digital painting applications like MyPaint and Krita (two other of my favorite Linux apps, along with Rosegarden &amp; Ardour!), is that if you create Windows versions of applications originally developed on Linux, you have to do a lot of hand holding for those users to either help them compile stuff, or be prepared for loud complaining because the Windows support isn't as good as the Linux support (especially for development branches). Windows users especially don't quite seem to get the open source development model (all they see if "free software that I don't have to pirate!"). Unless there are dedicated Windows developers to a project, Windows support will flounder until someone gets around to fixing bugs or building a new version (funny how the users who complain the most don't seem to want to volunteer their time to help). Unfortunately, I think thi</pre> Brett McCoy 2012-05-14T21:25:13 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11126 <pre>Perhaps I need to move this information to the developers list. I got this reply from a guy on one of the Apple developer lists. "I had a brief go at rosegarden with other packages installed using fink (fink needs the --prefix=/sw) on Mac OS X 10.6.8. However, I found issues with configure tests for X11, dssi.h and sha1sum. Make finally failed because i had no alsa installed and there was no quick resolution for that. (He had all the compile errors in here which I will leave out of this post) Unfortunately, I do not really have the skills/time to dig deeper into all these issues, but maybe someone can pick it up. Once rosegarden builds on macosx, i could contribute and maintain a package discription for fink." He seems interested in moving forward. with help from others. Dave On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 8:04 AM, David Tisdell &lt;david.tisdell-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt;wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusi</pre> David Tisdell 2012-05-14T18:56:57 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11125 <pre>I have posted requests for Mac developers to 3 Apple lists: *Coreaudio-api* &lt;https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/coreaudio-api&gt; A mailing list for developers using Core Audio and MIDI APIs (C or Java) on MacOS X *Unix-porting* &lt;https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/unix-porting&gt;Discussions about porting UNIX-based software to Mac OS X *X11-users* &lt;https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/x11-users&gt; X11 for Mac OS X discussion list We'll see if we garner any interest. I'll also see if I can find out who tried to do the port in the fink project before the change to the qt codebase and see if he is interested. Dave On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 6:04 AM, David Tisdell &lt;david.tisdell-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt;wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint securi</pre> David Tisdell 2012-05-14T12:04:04 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11124 <pre>Claudio, I can't guarantee anything on recruiting developers but I can put it out there on Apple developer lists. I am not a developer myself but I can test some builds. I have all three platforms running at home (Linux, Mac and Windows). I have installed the Windows alpha and it is very promising (Thanks Richard). Dave On 5/13/12 6:56 PM, Cláudio Pinheiro wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ </pre> David Tisdell 2012-05-14T10:04:02 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11123 <pre> Thanks for the filespec info Michael. That's a big help. And a Big Thanks for all the effort you put in to keep all of us musically inclined geeks happy. :) I'll send the modified script back to you guys as soon as I'm sure it does what it's supposed to do. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ </pre> Gary G. 2012-05-14T08:11:38 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11122 <pre> Yes, Rosegarden can read these files whether they're compressed or not. Compressed is standard, and the compression format used is gzip, not rar. </pre> D. Michael McIntyre 2012-05-14T06:06:25 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11121 <pre> The thing is, there's an existing python script called txt2rgd.py that I can simply modify. Basically I won't even have to touch the I/O routines and simply have to change or add a few lines to the parser. With any luck I might have it working by next weekend. Barring any major snags in format. One thing I've already noticed is that RGD files are rar compressed and the txt2rgd.py script doesn't seem to call in any archivers, so I'm sort of wondering if it even works as intended to begin with. Anyway, lots of research ahead of me, so I'll post it up here once I have something working :) Regards, Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ </pre> Gary G. 2012-05-13T23:11:48 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11119 <pre>Le dimanche 13 mai 2012 à 10:25:33, Oleksiy Lukin a écrit : Copy/paste between two RG instances doesn't work currently, but you can easily import a whole composition into another with File -&gt; Merge -&gt; Merge File... menu. Yves ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ </pre> Yves Guillemot 2012-05-13T18:32:51 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11118 <pre>You can export what you want to a midi file and then import it into the file you want to add it to. As Michael said, you can't copy and pastes directly but there are several ways to work around it. On 5/13/12 4:25 AM, Oleksiy Lukin wrote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ </pre> David Tisdell 2012-05-13T17:53:10 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11117 <pre> Simple answer: No. This isn't possible at all, and it's nowhere close to being possible. </pre> D. Michael McIntyre 2012-05-13T08:50:06 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user/11116 <pre>Hello, dear RG users! Well, question is simple. I can open 2 RG main windows with different compositions but I can not copy/paste from one to other. Copy/Paste works only for one instance of RG. But I want to "steal" some part of one composition and paste it in other. Is it possible with RG? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/_______________________________________________ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user </pre> Oleksiy Lukin 2012-05-13T08:25:33 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.user